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In reply to the discussion: HR 676 !!! - Let's put Single Payer into the conversation: [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)67. You mean like physicians?
Physicians explain why America needs single-payer universal health care
The Guardian
A group of more than 2,000 physicians is calling for the establishment of a universal government-run health system in the US, in a paper in the American Journal of Public Health.
According to the proposal released Thursday, the Affordable Care Act did not go far enough in removing barriers to healthcare access. The physicians bold plan calls for implementing a single-payer system similar to Canadas, called the National Health Program, that would guarantee all residents healthcare.
The new single-payer system would be funded mostly by existing US government funding. The physicians point out that the US government already pays for two-thirds of all healthcare spending in the US, and a single-payer system would cut down on administrative costs, so a transition to a single-payer system would not require significant additional spending.
Our patients cant afford care and dont have access to the care they need, while the system is ever more wasteful, throwing away money on bureaucratic expenses and absurd prices from the drug companies, said David Himmelstein, a professor in the CUNY School of Public Health at Hunter College and lecturer on medicine at Harvard Medical School.
Himmelstein, one of the authors of the plan, said the proposal is meant as a rallying cry for physicians and other healthcare professionals around the cause of a single-payer model. According to the paper, even with the passage of the Affordable Care Act many patients face rising co-payments and deductibles that compromise access to care and leave them vulnerable to ruinous medical bills. Despite the current high healthcare spending levels in the US, healthcare outcomes are worse than in comparable well-funded countries.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/obamacare-isnt-enough-physicians-explain-why-america-needs-single-payer-universal-health-care/
The Guardian
A group of more than 2,000 physicians is calling for the establishment of a universal government-run health system in the US, in a paper in the American Journal of Public Health.
According to the proposal released Thursday, the Affordable Care Act did not go far enough in removing barriers to healthcare access. The physicians bold plan calls for implementing a single-payer system similar to Canadas, called the National Health Program, that would guarantee all residents healthcare.
The new single-payer system would be funded mostly by existing US government funding. The physicians point out that the US government already pays for two-thirds of all healthcare spending in the US, and a single-payer system would cut down on administrative costs, so a transition to a single-payer system would not require significant additional spending.
Our patients cant afford care and dont have access to the care they need, while the system is ever more wasteful, throwing away money on bureaucratic expenses and absurd prices from the drug companies, said David Himmelstein, a professor in the CUNY School of Public Health at Hunter College and lecturer on medicine at Harvard Medical School.
Himmelstein, one of the authors of the plan, said the proposal is meant as a rallying cry for physicians and other healthcare professionals around the cause of a single-payer model. According to the paper, even with the passage of the Affordable Care Act many patients face rising co-payments and deductibles that compromise access to care and leave them vulnerable to ruinous medical bills. Despite the current high healthcare spending levels in the US, healthcare outcomes are worse than in comparable well-funded countries.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/obamacare-isnt-enough-physicians-explain-why-america-needs-single-payer-universal-health-care/
Wanting everyone to have a basic human right like single payer universal health care isn't based on facts so much as compassion. Much like other human rights it takes a while to convince the public that it's the right thing to do. I like to be ahead of the curve.
And since a majority of congressmen recently cosponsored the Medicare for All act it seems like it's mostly libertarians and conservatives who want to keep the profit in health care, along with people who are happy with their employer paid plan. But then they've all got theirs so why should they worry about the rest of us?
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Sure they do and you see that argument here all the time. "The rest of the developed world has..."
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#31
The two of you are talking past each other to an extent. There are a couple of points though
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#15
What I am trying to say is that "Medicare for all" and "Single Payer" are not the same thing.
ehrnst
Jul 2017
#17
This is what I spout. Most understand it and sees it work for their elderly family
Purveyor
Jul 2017
#81
Marketing is a badgered word but in reality it is something we couldn't live without
nolabels
Jul 2017
#52
No it is not...the first job is to save the ACA...for God's sake people...lets deal with our reality
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#48
That's a small part of the total. But HOW do you re-allocate that? You stated where from and who to.
ehrnst
Jul 2017
#97
Gradual expansion of the ACA is what health policy experts say is most realistic.
ehrnst
Jul 2017
#110
Jimmy Carter and AL Gore recently spoke out in favour of single payer universal health care.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#39
I don't base my opinions on what others think, especially the American public.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#56
It's not denial, I simply don't care what the public thinks about human rights.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#69
It appears that you don't care what the data show, and what health policy experts say.
ehrnst
Jul 2017
#76
A majority thinks the government should provide health care for its citizens
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#82
No they are not 'behind it'. Most still get healthcare from work and this will never pass...
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#47
You keep bringing up other people's opinions as if they're more worthy of consideration.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#75
Um... you were the one who stated that "a majority of Americans" wanted Single Payer....
ehrnst
Jul 2017
#77
No, you do what you can now...you won't get single payer and if you try ...then the GOP will attack
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#73
Tell that to Dems in Congress - a majority cosponsored the bill and I agree with them.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#80
And McConnell is already using it to hurt the Democrats. Stupid when it has no shot of passing.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#98
We need to do something to get away from healthcare in the US being used for social control
ck4829
Jul 2017
#50
So why are you trying to convince me that I shouldn't support single payer health care?
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#68
Read the bill for yourself and see who consigned it, that's why I provided a link.
beam me up scottie
Jul 2017
#90