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BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
54. Never based on substance
Wed Aug 2, 2017, 09:52 PM
Aug 2017

Or policy positions, but as is all too common these days, hurling names like corporatist and establishment at at people for the crime of failing to been the knee. And ALL of their targets are women and people of color: Clinton, Harris, Perez, Jaime Harrison, Pelosi, Jim Clyburn and John Lewis.

Notice the uniformity of the script: the same insults; the same arguments; and the exact same language. https://mic.com/articles/183105/democratic-rising-star-kamala-harris-has-a-bernie-sanders-problem#.N9UkCI4yB That she dares to consider a presidential run leads them to make blatantly false claims about her being "anointed." That term arises time and time again. The point is to smear, to engage in character assassination, not based on policy or issues but because she isn't one of them.

It doesn't stop at public figures either. We see entire races of people, the poorest and most marginalized voters, insulted as corporatist or establishment in order to engineer the economic and political dominance of a small, privileged demographic. We see the most cynical evocation of terms like "poverty and economic equality," while they actively argue against positions that seek to address both, only to insist the priority should be on proposals that benefit them and their class. They wont listen to what the poor and marginalized care about. They won't respect their votes. They use them as rhetorical pawns in a quest for power and even greater privilege.

Two examples: Jaime Harrison and Tom Perez. Harrison, head of the S Carolina Dem Party, ran for DNC chair. When he saw was unable to attract enough support to win, he dropped out. They sought his endorsement for their candidate Ellison (a good man who didn't deserve any of this). When Harrison endorsed Perez instead, he was suddenly maligned as a "corporatist." http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/sanders-revolution-resists-dnc-loss-235404 Nothing about him changed from one day to the next, except for his endorsement of Perez. That demonstrated in no uncertain terms that those labels were hurled for purposes that have nothing to do with the influence of capital.

Example two: Tom Perez, whom the OP himself insulted as a corporatist. Imagine, a man born into a poor immigrant family, who worked as a janitor to pay his way through law school and then went to work as a civil rights attorney is a "corporatist." A man who transformed the Civil Rights division of DOJ, who has devoted his entire life to fighting injustice through the law. He was a corporatist? Why? For one reason only. He didn't facilitate one faction's quest for power.

I've had it with the false rhetoric, the craven opportunism, and politics of white male entitlement obfuscated through lingusric exploitation of the lives of the poor and marginalized.

A progressive is someone who does the work, advances the ball, doesn't mind getting LuvLoogie Aug 2017 #1
I have never supported Jill Stein. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #4
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #2
I have no schtick. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #5
Why do you always seem to make everything be about you? Cary Aug 2017 #25
... sheshe2 Aug 2017 #74
... Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #116
... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #126
Hey y'all! Cary Aug 2017 #141
Hi Cary! mcar Aug 2017 #149
Hola Cary Aug 2017 #150
Yes, indeed. Vote democratic NO MATTER WHAT Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #151
K lunasun Aug 2017 #3
Do you still feel that Kamala Harris "represents diversity-in-name-only"? George II Aug 2017 #6
NO. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #9
Wow is that ever feint praise- better than Trump? bettyellen Aug 2017 #82
Thank you for making a factual and realistic observation and plainly stating the truth. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #104
How much more do you need? Ken Burch Aug 2017 #117
You already trashed Kamala as a hawk- with no evidence for that. You fucked up and showed your bettyellen Aug 2017 #119
I'm as much of a Dem as you are. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #122
You've proved you're willing to baselessly trash Dems and spread lies about them, so you're words bettyellen Aug 2017 #124
Did I read that right? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #153
Wow... I can't even with this nonsense being here. bettyellen Aug 2017 #166
Oy! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #171
This whole thing is a passive-aggression festival. betsuni Aug 2017 #169
Ain't that the truth. NT sheshe2 Aug 2017 #172
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #7
I didn't go all out racist. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #8
"If I held racist views, I wouldn't vow to support her if nominated. " Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #11
Actually I don't think many did. I try my best to be antiracist. so I can't speak for racists. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #14
"I'm not a racist so I can't speak for racists." Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #16
I changed it to "I try my best to be antiracist". Ken Burch Aug 2017 #18
"Again...how is it racist to say that race matters less than what you believe on the issues?" sheshe2 Aug 2017 #75
I have never said that economic equality was the only thing that matters. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #120
Thank you for your post on the other thread Gothmog Aug 2017 #32
Hahaha boston bean Aug 2017 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #12
seriously obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #35
A simple question??? GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #13
What I said was wrong. I'd forgotten I posted it. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #15
It illustrates we often hold others to a much higher standard than we hold ourselves to. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #17
The point is to say that what I said was wrong. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #19
There is rarely, if ever, simply one, rather than many points available at any given time. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #21
I wrote things that some people interpreted as racist. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #22
In the interest of honest discourse, what I see in your negative comments of two years ago and... stevenleser Aug 2017 #20
Is every progressive obligated to give unquestioning support to ALL Democratic officials Ken Burch Aug 2017 #24
And this is the same non-honest response we always get to that observation stevenleser Aug 2017 #33
My response was honest. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #37
You are extremely invested in trying to get people to accept your constant criticism of democrats. boston bean Aug 2017 #39
I AM a Democrat. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #40
You asked. All you do is criticize democrats andd then when other democrats disagree, you whine like boston bean Aug 2017 #42
I campaigned for the ticket all fall. I wrote an OP enthisiatically endorsing HRC before Philly. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #44
You didn't acknowledge one thing I just told you. But you boston bean Aug 2017 #45
I don't focus on "criticizing Democrats". I have criticized some at times, but so what? Ken Burch Aug 2017 #48
There you go again. Thanks for playing. boston bean Aug 2017 #49
I addressed your point directly. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #52
Yeah. If you say so. boston bean Aug 2017 #53
No it wasn't. No one said we shouldn't vet our candidates stevenleser Aug 2017 #47
It's not honest to equate my past comments on Kamala to racism. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #50
Since I didnt do that, this is another dishonest response to me. stevenleser Aug 2017 #192
I've always discoursed honestly. I'm not in any "sect". Ken Burch Aug 2017 #193
I don't care who you support BainsBane Aug 2017 #59
I don't have a focus on the middle-to-upper middle class Ken Burch Aug 2017 #115
It seems to me the main take-away from this thread... regnaD kciN Aug 2017 #180
I know. Of all the places to run into McCarthyism. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #184
His immediate response to what you said is "remarkable" and Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #30
Yep, it's the same nonsense we always get. stevenleser Aug 2017 #34
The script is identical BainsBane Aug 2017 #58
You're not the only one to notice. It's not an isolated thing. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #60
I Did Not Have Sex With That Woman Me. Aug 2017 #23
No. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #26
Personally, I think I'd remember NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #114
+1000 sheshe2 Aug 2017 #154
Very well said. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #27
It's time to start getting behind her. samir.g Aug 2017 #28
Don't play his game Hekate Aug 2017 #79
There is a pattern with you always dismissing what majority of minorities want JI7 Aug 2017 #29
Not true. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #31
yup obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #36
Never based on substance BainsBane Aug 2017 #54
THIS. What BainsBane said. Hekate Aug 2017 #80
Tell It ! lunasun Aug 2017 #84
he was upset Kamala HArris endorsed Clinton over Sanders so that was his reaction JI7 Aug 2017 #86
So true. Nt BainsBane Aug 2017 #87
+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #88
Excellent analysis. That makes a lot of sense. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #136
People say heated things in a campaign season. And I've apologized for what I said, Ken Burch Aug 2017 #146
My post about Perez was about the fact that he was being used as the stop-Keith candidate. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #123
I didn't see any slur. Can you point directly to it for me please? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #131
This! NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #181
The Ken Show was really exciting today! betsuni Aug 2017 #38
Many people are saying that. R B Garr Aug 2017 #72
You crack me up! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #132
My suggestion, which you'll ignore, is that you stop posting about Kamala Harris. yardwork Aug 2017 #41
You posted some very similar things about Perez BainsBane Aug 2017 #43
Ok...I said some respectfully critical things. I also posted an OP congratulating him when he won. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #46
There was nothing respectful about what you wrote BainsBane Aug 2017 #55
Wow! That's pretty bad. (I don't know what else to say.) NurseJackie Aug 2017 #61
. Squinch Aug 2017 #51
Me, I like Kamala Harris. I've always liked Kamala Harris. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #56
This is what his OP is responding to BainsBane Aug 2017 #57
Yep. He posted some things about her he shouldn't have. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #62
I'll answer that. I would like the misrepresentations to stop. yardwork Aug 2017 #64
+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #65
I am, as always, unarmed. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #69
Your last paragraph is the salient point. yardwork Aug 2017 #73
+1 BainsBane Aug 2017 #77
THIS. The phony hand wringing is over. We know it's all an act. bettyellen Aug 2017 #85
I didn't say anything about the assets seizure issue. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #118
I want honesty BainsBane Aug 2017 #66
You are linking to your own posts. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #68
I link to the discussion BainsBane Aug 2017 #70
If what he said is so bad, why not link directly? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #71
I never saw anyone say that BainsBane Aug 2017 #76
what, I don't get blamed for random shit other people say all the time? Yes, I do. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #81
If someone said something so bad about Schumer and Warren, why not link directly? betsuni Aug 2017 #83
Apparently that only applies to other people. BainsBane Aug 2017 #89
Yup. betsuni Aug 2017 #90
Oh, was there a 2 hour long time limit to respond to that? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #92
Fine, you asked. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #91
I thought that's all you had. betsuni Aug 2017 #94
So what those posts are saying, that's okay with you? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #95
You are pissed off because pnwmom BainsBane Aug 2017 #99
Okay, speed-reading through the parts where you put words in my mouth Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #100
Simplifying the blame is simple and makes for a good title or tweet Not Ruth Aug 2017 #102
That is certainly true. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #103
You won't read links BainsBane Aug 2017 #183
I read links. I wouldn't know you were linking to yourself if I hadn't at least bothered a little. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #186
+1 (thank you) betsuni Aug 2017 #110
I would also like to say that the post he links to in one of my OP's was a comment/response and was boston bean Aug 2017 #112
You follow that comment thread, it's impossible not to conclude it's directed at Schumer. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #135
It wasn't calling him a sexist.. as you so imply with your direct link to a comment implying that. boston bean Aug 2017 #137
No, that's not what I'm implying. But the post in question? Clearly aimed at Schumer Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #138
Oh no?? Then why did you pick a reply that said that? boston bean Aug 2017 #139
because I was talking about the reply, not your OP? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #140
I have never sought to exclude marginalized peoples from power. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #129
"the most wonderful and perfectly blameless overqualified candidate for president in human history" betsuni Aug 2017 #111
Yeah, none of this has anything to do with that, of course. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #134
...indeed lapucelle Aug 2017 #109
Somebody said Senator Harris would be the first female POC president Ken Burch Aug 2017 #127
There was a direct link, but the post was removed. lapucelle Aug 2017 #105
Ah. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #106
You should be taken out to the DU woodshed and flogged with democratisphere Aug 2017 #63
"I don't at this point have strong feelings about her." RhodeIslandOne Aug 2017 #67
Your lack of strong feelings about a woman you claimed was being anointed 3 years out for POTUS... Hekate Aug 2017 #78
IT IS GOING DOWN ON YOUR PERMANENT RECORD YOUNG MAN Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #93
There has been a real uptick lately in generalized... Hekate Aug 2017 #96
i cant say for sure, but here, its the heat. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #97
Yeah, it's over 80 degrees inside my house and it's 1:00 am. High humidity from some monsoonal... Hekate Aug 2017 #98
Because people are catching on. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #101
Catching on to what? Ken Burch Aug 2017 #121
Others here have already explained it much better than I could ever hope to... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #125
... LexVegas Aug 2017 #107
I don't think you are progressive as you think you are. nt LexVegas Aug 2017 #108
That is one way of saying it. boston bean Aug 2017 #113
Are you saying I have to endorse this person just to prove I'm progressive? Ken Burch Aug 2017 #145
I said what I said. boston bean Aug 2017 #147
The most progressive thing to do is always to take the most progressive stands on the issues Ken Burch Aug 2017 #128
That's just not very realistic. All these hard-left absolutes are a mistake. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #133
I haven't ever said "no compromise". Sometime compromise is needed. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #142
LOL! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #144
We take the stands, and then if we have to compromise, Ken Burch Aug 2017 #148
Real world politics just doesn't work that way. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #152
If the strategy you're talking about had been used by the black freedom movement Ken Burch Aug 2017 #155
All of those things were incremental. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #156
I didn't say Manchin was the governor. That's why I put the punctuation there. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #157
Is there any reason to think that he will? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #159
I never said it was a good idea to primary Manchin. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #161
Neutral? LOL! Seriously? You're "NEUTRAL"??? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #162
I simply don't think it will happen. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #164
Doesn't matter. A true progressive would be OPPOSED to him losing his Senate seat... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #168
You make it sound like I could stop it from happening. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #174
No I don't. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #179
By the way, it's a BIG mistake to try and liken your "revolution" to AA and LGBT struggles. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #158
I wasn't likening left activists to historically oppressed communities. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #160
You're comparing this "revolution" thing to the struggles of AA's POC and LGBT citizens. It's not. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #163
I was only talking about the vision of those movements. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #165
Yes you did. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #167
FYI...someone alerted on this post....no clue why... Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #170
Nothing in my post implied that white left activists were an oppressed group. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #173
Nice try, but it falls short and fails in all areas. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #176
I'm not part of the "alt-left". Ken Burch Aug 2017 #177
If you say so. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #178
I did not compare white leftists to oppressed communities. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #182
Nope. That's not what you did at all. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #190
+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #191
I talked about the tactics and vision those groups used. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #194
Splitting hairs isn't helping your argument. (Just so you know.) NurseJackie Aug 2017 #195
I'm defending myself against your false claim that I equated white leftists Ken Burch Aug 2017 #196
Now you're exaggerating. That doesn't help your case either. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #197
Ken, why do you feel the need to say "I didn't suggest that"??? Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #187
Thanks for that post. I actually do know of and admire Will Campbell. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #188
Typical. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #175
Typical truth. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #185
(Yawn.) NurseJackie Aug 2017 #189
I disagree. Adrahil Aug 2017 #143
this obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #130
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