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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
37. It's as if the real argument is lost in the language
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 01:57 PM
Aug 2017

I suspect that there are people who would never sign the consent form for a abortion for their daughter would always advocate against it in conversation. Yet, they have a limit where abortion is an acceptable option (in other words, choice). If a person sees abortion as an acceptable uner particular conditions, and they aren't working to ban it altogether, their position isn't as cut and dry as I have thought for a long time. I think the subset of antiabortion zealots have roped in people who are less extreme. Thus, people who could have been more flexible in their opinions have been manipulated.

I am extreme rigid am inclined to argue against any opposition. But, as this internal conflict over abortion has exploded, I am not entirely averse to exploring gray areas and cutting people some slack even when I don't agree with them.

I once read an analysis where a woman agued that using choice and privacy as the basis for the argument in favor of legal abortion might have had the unintended consequences of perpetuating the argument. She suggested that in retorspect it might have put an end to it if the ruling were based on the 14th amendment. The only way to balance the inequality of the biological demands in pregnancy is to allow for termination. I thought she had a point, but of course hindsight is 20 20.

THANK YOU! Zoonart Aug 2017 #1
I think most of us have some understanding of how politics work ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #2
best way to block that is to have Democrats as House Speaker and Senate Maj leader geek tragedy Aug 2017 #5
There is a difference between being personally against abortion ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #17
Reid had an anti-choice voting record--it went beyond "personal/moral opposition." geek tragedy Aug 2017 #23
Then call it what is fucking is. If someone is personally against abortion but doesn't vote to boston bean Aug 2017 #38
"personally against abortion" isn't a political position, it's politicianspeak geek tragedy Aug 2017 #41
do more research. boston bean Aug 2017 #45
I provided that link in another place in this thread. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #46
I AM concerned ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #39
for anti-choice Dems, as long as they understand they support the larger agenda geek tragedy Aug 2017 #62
This is gotten quite redundant, it's heading into "I'm owed beer and travel money" territory elehhhhna Aug 2017 #72
An excellent response. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #53
But we're not better off with R's in the majority. n/t pnwmom Aug 2017 #71
Just another purity test we don't need. Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #3
Yes we can't afford privacy for women, or safe medical procedures, elehhhhna Aug 2017 #52
Serious question....and I'm not being condescending here Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #4
it's a nebulous concept. nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #6
Certainly seems so in some threads! Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #9
No, it's not nebulous at all. The Cambridge Dictionary spells it out clearly LanternWaste Aug 2017 #21
How about the Hyde Amendment--is that a litmus test for being pro-choice or anti-choice? nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #24
The Hyde Amendment in my opinion is bad policy, it is not however a restriction on abortion. boston bean Aug 2017 #42
that's very, very close to my take on it. nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #43
But that is, in effect, a restriction. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #54
Defining Pro/Anti-Choice is like trying to nail jello to a tree. mwooldri Aug 2017 #31
It's as if the real argument is lost in the language loyalsister Aug 2017 #37
In my mind, abortion should never be a political issue. mwooldri Aug 2017 #7
the main disputes at the federal level are (1) judges and (2) spending. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #10
How very reasonable... lapucelle Aug 2017 #8
Would you prefer a Congress that has Nancy Pelosi as Speaker with 50 anti-choice Democrats geek tragedy Aug 2017 #12
I have a policy against lapucelle Aug 2017 #29
It's not hypothetical. Its' the difference between 2007-2010 and 2011-present geek tragedy Aug 2017 #33
Of course it's a hypothetical, lapucelle Aug 2017 #44
Republicans have controlled the House since 2010. nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #47
I worked very, very hard to elect a Democratic congresswoman lapucelle Aug 2017 #68
Does the same theory apply with the criminal bill in Clinton's 90's? Or possibly NAFTA. DoodAbides Aug 2017 #11
How did that affect the AA community. Now that I am actually thinking about it, interesting question DoodAbides Aug 2017 #14
I will just say this: geek tragedy Aug 2017 #16
"close to a zero percent chance "... DoodAbides Aug 2017 #22
Okay, so we remain a minority party for the next several decades geek tragedy Aug 2017 #26
There is no way you can even get that statement with anything being discussed. DoodAbides Aug 2017 #30
you just putatively excommunicated all anti-abortion voters from the Democratic Party. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #32
I did no such thing. They did by their inability to separate state vs religion. DoodAbides Aug 2017 #35
Back it up there! GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #70
NAFTA??? GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #69
Of course that explains why Pelosi has to be replaced BainsBane Aug 2017 #13
Goodness. I have to try and wrap my mind around this statement. DoodAbides Aug 2017 #15
Oh, yeah BainsBane Aug 2017 #20
I am game. It is that important. To me, to lives that are affected by law. nt DoodAbides Aug 2017 #25
2018. I am ready for you. DoodAbides Aug 2017 #27
I do love the smarts and thinking minds of the Democratic Party. nt DoodAbides Aug 2017 #18
Who refused to denounce the GOP efforts to repeal the ACA? geek tragedy Aug 2017 #19
Ryan BainsBane Aug 2017 #28
Can't tell the Ryans apart without a scorecard... lapucelle Aug 2017 #34
derp. From your link: geek tragedy Aug 2017 #40
Derp indeed. lapucelle Aug 2017 #49
One should generally know the facts before making claims about them. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #36
I agree. lapucelle Aug 2017 #50
Be careful. You might hurt something ... GeorgeGist Aug 2017 #48
There used to be more pro-life Democrats and pro-choice Republicans. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #51
a good 25-30% of voters tend to be social conservatives but economically liberal geek tragedy Aug 2017 #55
That would describe me. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #56
Manchin and Donnelly and Casey had zero hesitation to go to the matts for Medicaid nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #57
YOur stance on this in multiple threads is appalling and disappointing obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #58
probably because I am not doing a good job of explaining it. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #59
But you'd be asking Dems to betray their constituents leftstreet Aug 2017 #60
not really. They don't have to betray constituents if they never have to face a vote. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #61
Oh. You said protect a woman's right to choose leftstreet Aug 2017 #63
Exactly. The best case scenario from Congress on abortion is no legislation. nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #64
We'll have to disagree leftstreet Aug 2017 #65
the status quo is kind of a disaster right now BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #66
No. 6000eliot Aug 2017 #67
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