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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
31. Maybe like Jimmy Carter?
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 02:03 PM
Aug 2017

Let's recall that at the time he was running for president, he belonged to a "whites only" Southern Baptist church, and he didn't leave the Southern Baptists until 2000, citing its views on women. As president, he had a less than stellar record on racial issues and policy, and incurred the wrath of key black leaders such as Jesse Jackson and Vernon Jordan.

His time as governor was pretty much worse:

During the heat of the campaign Carter chose to pay a visit to one of the segregated academies in a move heavy with symbolism. At the school Carter pledged to work on behalf of the all-white private schools. Unveiling his strategy spurning the African American vote, Carter boasted that he could win the election “without a single black vote.” During the campaign, Carter praised Lester Maddox became close to George Wallace, and defended white resistance to integration. Carter disingenuously maintained that blacks too were against integration. Carter went further, however, to the point of using morally questionable tactics based on an appeal to the racial prejudice of his Georgia white constituency. Most notably, a photo of Carter’s opponent, Carl Sanders, with black members of the Atlanta Hawks basketball team celebrating a playoff victory, was widely distributed in an effort to link him to blacks in the minds of white voters. While Carter did no additional campaigning in black communities, he won enjoying the support of the most notorious racists in the state obtaining over 49 percent of the vote.

As Governor of Georgia, Carter seemed to feel that symbolism would be sufficient to satisfy the political needs of the state’s African Americans. Carter is credited with making Martin Luther King’s birthday a state holiday on January 15, 1973, and later unveiling a portrait of the slain black leader in the state’s capital building. Yet, at a more meaningful level of policy, Governor Carter pushed for an anti-busing amendment to the Constitution. This had the advantage of taking the issue out of the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

http://www.blacksandpresidency.com/jimmycarter.php


Now, do I think Jimmy Carter is or was a racist? No. But I think that at times he either condoned it or played on it for political expediency.

I think there's a difference between the issues being discussed here. Is it at all common, or even possible, for a person to hold segregationist views but vote for integrationist policies? I'm not sure that has happened very often. But it is entirely possible for a person to hold personal views that are against abortion but vote easily to extend choice to others. We've seen a slew of (often Catholic) politicians do exactly that. Joe Biden and John Kerry are two who come to mind. Here's Kerry explaining the difference between his personal beliefs on abortion and his view about imposing his personal beliefs on others. I can't imagine the same explanation working for a segregationist:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4540345/john-kerry-abortion-2004
Ugh. nt Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2017 #1
. sarisataka Aug 2017 #2
People who anti choice, are usually racists, and bigots. boston bean Aug 2017 #3
.... LexVegas Aug 2017 #5
And definitely anti-LGBT n/t TexasBushwhacker Aug 2017 #39
That's how we got the New Deal, Social Security, and Medicare. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #4
Point taken. Thanks MoonRiver Aug 2017 #6
No analogy. elleng Aug 2017 #7
Racism not analogous to destroying women's' health rights? yardwork Aug 2017 #11
It's ok as long S it isn't me. Lunabell Aug 2017 #45
You forgot the sarcasm emoji right? irisblue Aug 2017 #8
this was a direct reference to getting behind anti-choice dems in certain districts. niyad Aug 2017 #14
well played (and many will miss the sarcasm) NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #9
and, indeed, they have, and will. niyad Aug 2017 #15
How is it POSSIBLE to miss the sarcasm? pangaia Aug 2017 #44
And those who don't miss the sarcasm NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #46
I think you make a good point. yardwork Aug 2017 #10
True that. The only difference I see within the Democratic Party, is one is more likely DoodAbides Aug 2017 #12
Bingo mercuryblues Aug 2017 #13
I have a few more names for them, but I will not subject posters here to such language. niyad Aug 2017 #16
I understand the sarcasm, but lets discuss this with actual events. The Civil Rights Act still_one Aug 2017 #17
What percentage of Democrats consider themselves segregationist? oberliner Aug 2017 #18
The question is, if there are Democratic segregationists, DLevine Aug 2017 #20
But anti-choice candidates aren't wooing Democrats leftstreet Aug 2017 #22
About 1 in 5 Democrats think abortion should be illegal oberliner Aug 2017 #24
If they declare themselves to be Democrats, MoonRiver Aug 2017 #25
Agreed oberliner Aug 2017 #26
I think if they make it VERY clear MoonRiver Aug 2017 #33
I'm fine with that wryter2000 Aug 2017 #49
Exactly! MoonRiver Aug 2017 #54
So your argument is that iif enough democrats Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #59
DURec leftstreet Aug 2017 #19
Actually it was partly due to those segregationists that we got the civil Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #21
Those people filibustered the civil rights acts wryter2000 Aug 2017 #50
No anti-choice dems who don't also support mandatory blood, bone marrow and kidney donations for men KitSileya Aug 2017 #23
This may be unpopular, but I'm ok running with Obama if it will win the presidency Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #27
Nicely done. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #28
Long live the Dixicrats! johnp3907 Aug 2017 #29
K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #30
Maybe like Jimmy Carter? frazzled Aug 2017 #31
I agree. Quanta Aug 2017 #32
Then you're in the same company as FDR and Truman. DanTex Aug 2017 #34
What do you mean by segregation? loyalsister Aug 2017 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Aug 2017 #36
thank you. barbtries Aug 2017 #37
Well, that is, in part, how we held congress from the 1930s to 1990s. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #38
a yellow dog yes...a segregationist never joe_stampingbull Aug 2017 #40
Progressives sometimes have to play a long game. HopeAgain Aug 2017 #41
Really puts it in perspective Moral Compass Aug 2017 #42
Yep. Lunabell Aug 2017 #43
Also it should be ok to support people pangaia Aug 2017 #47
Trump Death Care passes without West Virginia (D) Manchin no vote aeromanKC Aug 2017 #48
maybe thats what the GOP thought as well and look what happened to them ( and us!) samnsara Aug 2017 #51
I raise you Lincoln's ghost Not Ruth Aug 2017 #52
Now that 2016 is in the rear view mirror lapucelle Aug 2017 #53
It does sound crazy. Why have we been okay with running anything that is bad for our country and our JCanete Aug 2017 #55
Fight It, not each other ck4829 Aug 2017 #56
Yeah. Those two issues equate. liquid diamond Aug 2017 #57
I hear ol Strom Thurmond is rising from his grave. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #58
word. KG Aug 2017 #60
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