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Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 09:36 PM Aug 2017

Strafgesetzbuch Section 86a - Important reason why it exists. Time for the US to wake up. [View all]

While a majority of Americans are in shock right now and trying to digest what they are witnessing in the last several days with images of torches and nazi emblems, nazi salutes from Charlottesville, VA and the shocking response from Trump since then, imagine what is going through the minds of Holocaust survivors and anyone who has family who died at the hands of nazis or died fighting the nazis.

My family has members who bravely fought the Nazis and yes, some who died. I grew up keenly aware from both my German and Danish family why they died, what evil the Nazi's perpetrated and how it could never be allowed ever again. My family came to America and saw America as the "Land of the Free" and the country that liberated the world from the Nazi's and Nazism. Today, the ones who remember the War or those who died at the hands of Nazis or fighting the Nazis, would be in shock. I am in shock right now. My family and friends in Germany are in shock right now seeing the emblems of the Nazi's and the Nazi salutes being used in 2017 in America. And being defended by the President of the United States. And hearing that President state that the opposition is a moral equivalent or worse.

In Germany, the very symbols and emblems that were being paraded down the streets of Charlottesville, VA and the torch lit images of the nazi salute of stretched arms and the words of "Blood and Soil" (Blut und Boden) are forbidden in Germany and can result in not just arrest, but imprisonment for up to 3 years. That may seem "against freedom of speech" or extreme. I say it isn't extreme enough.

There is a reason it exists and the Germans understand all too well. Symbols and the evil meaning that they represent can destroy a society and kill people.

I believe these symbols, including the confederate flag and symbols of the Klu Klux Klan should be banned from being publicly displayed in the United States. I believe anyone who defends their use, or defends anyone who follows their hateful and evil beliefs is a Nazi and an enemy of our Nation, an enemy of humanity. I believe the US Congress should pass a law that bans these symbols and salutes from being used, similar to how the Germans have done in their country. Stop this evil from growing while we still can.

Today in Germany, Nazi emblems and other emblems and symbols of hate, Nazi salutes in written form, vocally, and even straight-extending the right arm as a saluting gesture (with or without the phrase), are illegal. It is a criminal offence punishable by up to three years of prison as per Strafgesetzbuch section 86a. Some exceptions in the usage for art, teaching and science is allowed.

This is my 10,000th post on the Democratic Underground. Never did I ever believe in my wildest dreams that I would be posting on this topic after watching the President of the United States defend people who use these symbols of hate and live by those symbols of hate and criticize the people who speak out against that hate.

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Very nice 10,000th leftstreet Aug 2017 #1
What happened bdamomma Aug 2017 #2
I agree with you. Maven Aug 2017 #3
I expressed this same sentiment here the other day stopbush Aug 2017 #4
i get huffy bora13 Aug 2017 #23
I agree -- it is AT BEST incitement obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #5
A brief lecture on the First Amendment Jim Lane Aug 2017 #7
I read not one word of that -- I neither want nor need your lecture obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #8
Uh, just whom do you think I was patronizing? Jim Lane Aug 2017 #10
+1 onenote Aug 2017 #11
I'm not completely satisfied that this is truly a settled question. Stonepounder Aug 2017 #17
You're right that it's not fully settled. There are always gray areas. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #34
I read it. Chellee Aug 2017 #22
Well I am over the first amendment then. Tumbulu Aug 2017 #24
Let me suggest a broader view of the history of the First Amendment. Jim Lane Aug 2017 #35
It really does not matter what I think about it Tumbulu Aug 2017 #37
I agree with you leanforward Aug 2017 #6
Excellent 10,000 Post burrowowl Aug 2017 #9
Great post. Thanks for the info. oasis Aug 2017 #12
When Hitler said "we lost the war; but shall win the peace," sandensea Aug 2017 #13
Please provide a source for that quote. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #27
I am Germany right now... a la izquierda Aug 2017 #14
And we are equally puzzled, but witnessing a phenomenon: lambchopp59 Aug 2017 #30
It seems to me that is has been going on for three decades Tumbulu Aug 2017 #38
Congrats and thank you for your 10,000th post! smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #15
Here is the problem with that approach marylandblue Aug 2017 #16
Section 86a does not ban specific symbols outright Lithos Aug 2017 #19
And yet far right white nationalist parties have more electoral success Germany than in the US funflower Aug 2017 #18
That's because we don't have a 2-party system in Germany Ezior Aug 2017 #36
Bless you and your family, and congrats on 10,000th post SWBTATTReg Aug 2017 #20
K&R... spanone Aug 2017 #21
I've long argued that this country needs a serious discussion about destructive propaganda Oak2004 Aug 2017 #25
Agree! Thanks for posting ! Tumbulu Aug 2017 #40
"I believe the US Congress should pass a law that bans these symbols and salutes from being used" PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #26
This situation raises some really difficult questions. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #28
Agree! Tumbulu Aug 2017 #41
I sure agree with you about how very fast things in this country have gotten worse. PatrickforO Aug 2017 #29
WHISIS lambchopp59 Aug 2017 #31
There is a legal maxim: marybourg Aug 2017 #32
We can pass laws all day long Phoenix61 Aug 2017 #33
Thank you for making this your 10,000th post. MineralMan Aug 2017 #39
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