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ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
109. Well of course not
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 08:55 PM
Aug 2017

And porn still sucks--pardon the pun, but the blatant racism is fouler that the objectification of women these days. But it doesn't always have to suck, it doesn't always have to be racist and sexist. Society has to move forward and grow up, so to speak and porn will follow.

Interestingly, one of my daughters took a class in Art history and learned about French art, for example, where men were depicted doing something and women were painted to be looked at. We got into a discussion about pornographers and she was thinking that the French were just the worst ever. I asked her if she had seen historical Japanese porn. She hadn't.

My point being this isn't just a western problem or idea in any way.(as you know) Objectification crosses cultures which is why it's so hard to point fingers at, identity and separate healthy expressions of sexuality from the unhealthy.

And American/western/modern racism, is a horrid disease that affects everything.

That thread is beyond silly mcar Aug 2017 #1
Exactly nt. BainsBane Aug 2017 #2
A self made WOC who has been working since she was a kid obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #9
It does seem that successful women and especially successful women of color elehhhhna Aug 2017 #42
Stop making this about melanin. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #3
Good points JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #5
I wonder if Sarandon JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #4
Someone insisted Beyonce had no "social value." BainsBane Aug 2017 #16
On DU? SergeStorms Aug 2017 #24
On DU BainsBane Aug 2017 #45
Gah JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #37
That's an outright lie! Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #56
I clarified BainsBane Aug 2017 #57
I told you Rockefeller brought my grandparents over Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #58
You told me? BainsBane Aug 2017 #60
I grew up watching the struggle. My dad was a school teacher Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #61
I grew up poor as well BainsBane Aug 2017 #62
The problem here is you keep wanting to make this about Beyonce Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #66
It's not about you per se BainsBane Aug 2017 #75
Additionally, race is very much part of that system of inquality BainsBane Aug 2017 #63
Oh my God Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #67
the 1% crowd is not treated kindly on DU nt msongs Aug 2017 #6
I am sure Beyonce cares. haveahart Aug 2017 #7
Clearly you are ignoring evidence BainsBane Aug 2017 #14
"I can think of one in particular who is treated as infallible." melman Aug 2017 #32
I'm surprised there's not a drinking game built around it yet Rob H. Aug 2017 #33
Well she was against me JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #38
Try to focus for a minute BainsBane Aug 2017 #47
HEYYYY MAAN THAT WASHHH MY IDEA! Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #124
How many drinks do I take... Rob H. Aug 2017 #127
subtract that from the number of times they based an entire thread on strawmen Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #128
Do you dispute that fact? BainsBane Aug 2017 #46
Agree lunasun Aug 2017 #79
.... yardwork Aug 2017 #40
And it is that repeated refusal to examine evidence BainsBane Aug 2017 #48
Cosign all of this obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #8
Thank you. BlackWealth is one of the reasons we underthematrix Aug 2017 #10
Wealth and political participation BainsBane Aug 2017 #17
Not sure what you mean by adding President obama and underthematrix Aug 2017 #18
birtherism white supremacy had a lot to do with backlash against obama and other minorites JI7 Aug 2017 #21
......and Obama's speaking fees!!!! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #54
I agree. SweetieD Aug 2017 #11
There's an Al Gore thread currently ghostsinthemachine Aug 2017 #12
Someone posted it in the context of environmental advocacy, correct? BainsBane Aug 2017 #13
Here is the thread BainsBane Aug 2017 #15
WOW after reading the Beyonce thread, I need a shower. all american girl Aug 2017 #31
the reaction to beyonce is very revealing. i had a bad feeling about the election when i read about JI7 Aug 2017 #19
Wish there was outrage about the unsustainable minimum wage leftstreet Aug 2017 #20
when people vote for people like Trump and Scott Walker you can't expect much. JI7 Aug 2017 #22
Twaddle. There's plenty of talk here about all of those things. DU just periodically ... Hekate Aug 2017 #25
well, depends on the person. in some cases they will even defend those who threaten to kill a JI7 Aug 2017 #26
depends on the homeless person leftstreet Aug 2017 #28
because it would just be ok if they were not homeless JI7 Aug 2017 #29
What the fuck? MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #123
Rage when people have too much, not when they don't have enough leftstreet Aug 2017 #27
I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere Hekate Aug 2017 #30
"Sarandon!" Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #23
Thanks again for the clarity -- it's a discussion worth having, IMO ATL Ebony Aug 2017 #34
Damn Skippy! MrScorpio Aug 2017 #35
K&R betsuni Aug 2017 #36
K&R brer cat Aug 2017 #39
K&R. A person can hate the capitalist system and still take great delight when one of the targets WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #41
I'm all for critiquing the system BainsBane Aug 2017 #50
Exactly. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #51
Not About Race or Gender erpowers Aug 2017 #43
If it isn't BainsBane Aug 2017 #44
$19.5 Million erpowers Aug 2017 #49
To oppose a Clinton presidency in favor of a TRUMP presidency BainsBane Aug 2017 #59
Your math is wrong BainsBane Aug 2017 #90
I agree, are we forgetting treestar Aug 2017 #53
It is recent I assume treestar Aug 2017 #52
Which is exactly the same BainsBane Aug 2017 #55
I hope outrage about wealth concentration is not blind by any measures. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #64
And, personally, I don't like... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #65
I don't get that from her. Maybe the issue is yourself JI7 Aug 2017 #69
I believe artists are more than that. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #70
Then maybe the problem is your views of progressivism JI7 Aug 2017 #71
I don't think so. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #72
Why didn't you defend her instead of focusing on beyonce ? JI7 Aug 2017 #73
And Sarandon? BainsBane Aug 2017 #88
"Objectification of women" BainsBane Aug 2017 #89
I think violent porn should be outlawed. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #92
Well, you should post an OP about that BainsBane Aug 2017 #93
How about Sarandon? BainsBane Aug 2017 #84
Brilliant. Thank you... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #87
The system Liberallover976 Aug 2017 #68
Its interesting one of those going after beyonce brought up cuba as what we should be like JI7 Aug 2017 #74
Was that same someone one of Sarandon's defenders? BainsBane Aug 2017 #76
I didn't say Cuba is what you should be like. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #77
K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #78
Being Retired Military... Oubaas Aug 2017 #80
Before Beyonce it was Oprah BainsBane Aug 2017 #81
She's not singled out, it is just her turn treestar Aug 2017 #83
Still waiting for examples of threads where white people BainsBane Aug 2017 #86
I love how your point was just proven by another post. nt. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #82
Thank you! ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #85
There is new one BainsBane Aug 2017 #91
Mainstream media, in general, does. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #94
May I ask your gender? BainsBane Aug 2017 #95
Yep. I'm a woman. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #96
While I share some of your concerns about porn and objectification BainsBane Aug 2017 #97
I would recommend googling Beyonce's "partition" video Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #99
You that bored today? BainsBane Aug 2017 #100
You seem tense Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #101
Some people want to remove all displays of sex and sexuality from media. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #98
You know what I want? ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #102
And isn't it interesting Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #104
Really? Funny, cause I see the opposite. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #107
Tolerance for things like LGBT marriage equality are at an all time high. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #111
But I'm not talking about LGBT. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #113
Really? You have a graph or other statistical data on that? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #114
In Latin America, which is part of the Western World, it has been on the rise OBenario4 Aug 2017 #115
Latin America is, sadly, experiencing terrible violence across the board. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #116
No, I do think internet porn and media as a whole is part of that. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #117
Again, subjective interpretation. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #118
Violence in general, maybe. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #119
Also... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #120
If you don't have statistics, again, you have subjective opinion. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #121
Well of course not ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #109
certainly there are far more art critics, than there are artists. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #112
She takes hold of objectification and owns it. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #103
K & R for the evening crew. rogue emissary Aug 2017 #105
I'll tell you what my problem is with her $90MM house Dreamer Tatum Aug 2017 #106
Lol. Black privilege. The issue of taxation has nothing to do with that JI7 Aug 2017 #108
It's a nuanced position Dreamer Tatum Aug 2017 #110
It's a pretty nice house. Looks to be done in a sort of Frank Lloyd Wright style. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #122
No, except for being horizontal, it's the exact oppostie of FLW. betsuni Aug 2017 #125
I'm not an architecture expert, I just play one on tv. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #126
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