Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
36. Kerry actually ran a far better campaign than Bill Clinton did
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 03:56 AM
Aug 2017

In 1992, Bush had a below 40 percent apprival by election time. Not to mention, most of Perot's attacks were on Bush and Perot. GWH was stronger than GHWB and Obama at the end of their terms. He was at 60 percent at the end of 2003.

Kerry did not let the SBVT attacks go unchallanged. In April 2004, the first time they hit, he put his entire Navy record on his Web site, other than his medical records, which he opened briefly to the media. The Republican former Vietnam era Secretary of the Navy, Senator John Warner said Kerry's record was accurate and he was a war hero.

With that record there, Democrats other than Kerry, should have been the ones to attack the liars. Defining yourself as a hero is nowhere near as good as others doing it. One person who deserves special blame is Edwards who told the campaign repeatedly he would, then didn't.

Note the SAME party has spent decades defending Bill Clinton for real trangressions. Yet, they failed to defend a real hero against lies. Not to mention, people like Begala and Carville, top Democrats on TV, actually pushed the Kerry is just anybody but Bush and did almost nothing to help get Kerry's accomplishments out. Partly, I suspect, because they did not want the Kerry/Kennedy wing running the party and thought a big 2008 would be better than beating Bush in 2004 before people saw a Iraq as a mess.

However, it was not the SBVT that made the difference. By November, polling did show that most people knew those accusations were lies. 2004 was lost because too many people were still traumatized by 911 and actually were concerned Kerry might be too moral to do things Cheney and Bush were doing - like torture.

All elections are not the same or equally winnable. 1992, like 2008, was a year any Democrat nominated would win. 2000 and 2016 were not as easy. Even 2012 was a harder job for the incumbent than 2004. Kerry beat all the models that looked at the economy and other variables. Had there been enough voting machines in Ohio, he would have pulled off a huge upset.

As to Gore, he really did win Florida and should have become President. Both ran FAR better campains than HRC.

Disappointing. Control-Z Aug 2017 #1
Why? Isn't that the point of primaries? white_wolf Sep 2017 #64
Sure. She was my first choice, and then I was super fortunate to have Hortensis Sep 2017 #65
Of course. That's what honorable and responsible citizens did. Hortensis Aug 2017 #2
what matters is not first. second or third choice DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #3
She was my first choice. cwydro Aug 2017 #4
She WAS my First Choice, in the Primary and the General Doug the Dem Aug 2017 #5
Purity - ain't that a kicker for Dems? nadine_mn Aug 2017 #7
+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #10
this has become the biggest issue w/the left in general, radius777 Aug 2017 #25
how many sanders supporters really voted for trump or abstained? clu Aug 2017 #41
As much as I despise liquid diamond Aug 2017 #53
I didn't care either way. Drahthaardogs Sep 2017 #66
Kerry was not my first choice, murielm99 Aug 2017 #6
My thoughts exactly. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #8
+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #11
Maybe fallout87 Aug 2017 #21
Ding ding ding ding LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #27
So they knock Hillary out of spite? SunSeeker Aug 2017 #32
Voting For Her Is Knocking? ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #40
No, voting isn't knocking. Qualifying every compliment is knocking. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #60
Many many Dean people were less kind karynnj Aug 2017 #14
You are correct about that. murielm99 Aug 2017 #16
Excellent post, muriel. brer cat Aug 2017 #17
Middle schoolers are more mature and less cliquey. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #63
Bill was simply echoing the consensus radius777 Aug 2017 #20
Kerry actually ran a far better campaign than Bill Clinton did karynnj Aug 2017 #36
I agree that Kerry ran a better campaign than Gore or Hillary, radius777 Aug 2017 #39
I agree Bill is and was charismatic, but his campaign was chaotic karynnj Aug 2017 #52
I think Bill or Barack could've beaten almost anyone/anytime radius777 Aug 2017 #58
My opinion, Barak probably, Bill Clinton unlikely karynnj Aug 2017 #61
+1 lunamagica Aug 2017 #33
Perfection was required in 2016 for the first time in American politics. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #57
She was and still is the only choice. democratisphere Aug 2017 #9
you voted for her.... but you didn't BELIEVE! Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #12
A bird didn't perch on her podium. betsuni Aug 2017 #13
Nah, that was just luck. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #15
Remember when the crazy wing nuts lapucelle Aug 2017 #56
I have to agree with the OP ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #18
She was my first choice. In the end, this was the FBI's election. Comey dominated it from StevieM Aug 2017 #19
Same here fallout87 Aug 2017 #22
I preferred Sanders over Clinton. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #23
HRC was my first choice in 2016. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #24
With everything going on, why did you feel the need to ecstatic Aug 2017 #26
Excellent questions. Excellent observations. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #46
Let's see, my 50 voting years divided by 4 equals 12 candidates, several not my first choice UTUSN Aug 2017 #28
Sounds like Oprah Winfrey mode Awsi Dooger Aug 2017 #29
I think Oprah was actually making the same case you did karynnj Aug 2017 #37
You're ok. I'd like to hear an explanation (and apology)from Cornel West. oasis Aug 2017 #30
wtf is listening to that guy? clu Aug 2017 #42
Democratic party leadership should never trust him again. nt oasis Aug 2017 #44
Great candidate! Cracklin Charlie Aug 2017 #31
She was my first choice too! lunamagica Aug 2017 #34
I can respect Jamaal510 Aug 2017 #35
Sick and tired Justice Aug 2017 #38
In the next Presidential election get the red out Aug 2017 #43
Jesus! WTF!? Not your "first choice", huh? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #45
Yes. Not their first choice. WHAT OF IT?? HughBeaumont Aug 2017 #47
LOL! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #48
Predictable as time and tide. HughBeaumont Aug 2017 #49
What are you trying to say? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #50
What a different country it would be today if Hillary were president. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #51
Yeah???? Not you first choice? heaven05 Aug 2017 #54
And Your Point? Me. Aug 2017 #55
Just WTH was your purpose in writing your first (almost) clause? To agitate? WinkyDink Aug 2017 #59
I probably worded that poorly. Kath2 Sep 2017 #62
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Not my first choice, but ...»Reply #36