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karynnj

(59,474 posts)
52. I agree Bill is and was charismatic, but his campaign was chaotic
Mon Aug 28, 2017, 09:56 AM
Aug 2017

With many bumps caused by him or his baggage. His charisma and the fact that the media was very much on his side helped him in the primaries.

I still believe any Democrat would have won 1992. I do believe the polls reflected something real. The economy had turned bad and he was blamed. He was very well regarded in early 1991 at the end of the first Gulf War, but Perot and the economy changed that by late 1991.

I agree that the popularity of GHWB did keep some stronger candidates out including Cuomo. However, even before the end of 1991, Bush was in trouble. However, at one point in the general election, Clinton polled THIRD to them. Then Perot imploded speaking of GHWB threatening to disrupt his daughter's wedding and pulled out very near the Democratic convention. Soon Clinton was ahead and stayed ahead until the election.

I think the the broadcast media treated Kerry worse than any major party nominee. It still annoys me that the broadcast media did not blast Republican delegates wearing purple heart band aids, almost condoning those disgusting, undeserved attacks. However, what is worse is they gave him less coverage than normal. Unlike any nominee in modern times, no network did a puff piece bio to play before the convention, although his bio would have made it easy. PBS did a Kerry/Bush bio and some of the cable stations did coverage focused on the only controversy in his bio, his courageous protests. Then almost no coverage, outside the convention and debates, was given other than short snippets where he spoke against Bush. ( Not to mention contrast the nasty coverage of the wonderful, accomplished Teresa vs Melania)

As to Edwards reaching people Kerry didn't, that was the media speaking. KERRY trounced Edwards in the primary and was by far more inspiring when people actually heard him. Kerry was the real deal, while Edwards was a shallow charleton.

I did not say Clinton did not like Kerry. I have no way of knowing what he thought or thinks. I do know Clinton was not happy when he endorsed Obama. What I did say was Kerry was part of the liberal Kennedy wing of the party and some people allied with Clinton did not want the party to go that direction. An ok sentiment in the primaries, but many did not rally around Kerry as nominee.

One thing I thought of as Carville spoke of ABB was that though I supported Tsongus or Brown, I never said I was ABB in 1992. This in spite of Clinton having a bad record on the environment in Arkansas and the fact we already knew his lack of honesty and character from his responses to the draft issue and the Flowers issue. The fact is almost everyone here is already ABT (or ABPence), which is why ABX was always used in the context of a primary.

Disappointing. Control-Z Aug 2017 #1
Why? Isn't that the point of primaries? white_wolf Sep 2017 #64
Sure. She was my first choice, and then I was super fortunate to have Hortensis Sep 2017 #65
Of course. That's what honorable and responsible citizens did. Hortensis Aug 2017 #2
what matters is not first. second or third choice DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #3
She was my first choice. cwydro Aug 2017 #4
She WAS my First Choice, in the Primary and the General Doug the Dem Aug 2017 #5
Purity - ain't that a kicker for Dems? nadine_mn Aug 2017 #7
+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #10
this has become the biggest issue w/the left in general, radius777 Aug 2017 #25
how many sanders supporters really voted for trump or abstained? clu Aug 2017 #41
As much as I despise liquid diamond Aug 2017 #53
I didn't care either way. Drahthaardogs Sep 2017 #66
Kerry was not my first choice, murielm99 Aug 2017 #6
My thoughts exactly. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #8
+1 betsuni Aug 2017 #11
Maybe fallout87 Aug 2017 #21
Ding ding ding ding LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #27
So they knock Hillary out of spite? SunSeeker Aug 2017 #32
Voting For Her Is Knocking? ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #40
No, voting isn't knocking. Qualifying every compliment is knocking. SunSeeker Aug 2017 #60
Many many Dean people were less kind karynnj Aug 2017 #14
You are correct about that. murielm99 Aug 2017 #16
Excellent post, muriel. brer cat Aug 2017 #17
Middle schoolers are more mature and less cliquey. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #63
Bill was simply echoing the consensus radius777 Aug 2017 #20
Kerry actually ran a far better campaign than Bill Clinton did karynnj Aug 2017 #36
I agree that Kerry ran a better campaign than Gore or Hillary, radius777 Aug 2017 #39
I agree Bill is and was charismatic, but his campaign was chaotic karynnj Aug 2017 #52
I think Bill or Barack could've beaten almost anyone/anytime radius777 Aug 2017 #58
My opinion, Barak probably, Bill Clinton unlikely karynnj Aug 2017 #61
+1 lunamagica Aug 2017 #33
Perfection was required in 2016 for the first time in American politics. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #57
She was and still is the only choice. democratisphere Aug 2017 #9
you voted for her.... but you didn't BELIEVE! Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #12
A bird didn't perch on her podium. betsuni Aug 2017 #13
Nah, that was just luck. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #15
Remember when the crazy wing nuts lapucelle Aug 2017 #56
I have to agree with the OP ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #18
She was my first choice. In the end, this was the FBI's election. Comey dominated it from StevieM Aug 2017 #19
Same here fallout87 Aug 2017 #22
I preferred Sanders over Clinton. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #23
HRC was my first choice in 2016. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #24
With everything going on, why did you feel the need to ecstatic Aug 2017 #26
Excellent questions. Excellent observations. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #46
Let's see, my 50 voting years divided by 4 equals 12 candidates, several not my first choice UTUSN Aug 2017 #28
Sounds like Oprah Winfrey mode Awsi Dooger Aug 2017 #29
I think Oprah was actually making the same case you did karynnj Aug 2017 #37
You're ok. I'd like to hear an explanation (and apology)from Cornel West. oasis Aug 2017 #30
wtf is listening to that guy? clu Aug 2017 #42
Democratic party leadership should never trust him again. nt oasis Aug 2017 #44
Great candidate! Cracklin Charlie Aug 2017 #31
She was my first choice too! lunamagica Aug 2017 #34
I can respect Jamaal510 Aug 2017 #35
Sick and tired Justice Aug 2017 #38
In the next Presidential election get the red out Aug 2017 #43
Jesus! WTF!? Not your "first choice", huh? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #45
Yes. Not their first choice. WHAT OF IT?? HughBeaumont Aug 2017 #47
LOL! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #48
Predictable as time and tide. HughBeaumont Aug 2017 #49
What are you trying to say? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #50
What a different country it would be today if Hillary were president. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #51
Yeah???? Not you first choice? heaven05 Aug 2017 #54
And Your Point? Me. Aug 2017 #55
Just WTH was your purpose in writing your first (almost) clause? To agitate? WinkyDink Aug 2017 #59
I probably worded that poorly. Kath2 Sep 2017 #62
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