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Progressive dog

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9. Of course, the antifa are like heros,
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 11:58 AM
Aug 2017

the communists were flower children, the Spanish anti-fascists never hurt a fly, etc.
I've had it with justifications for riotous behavior and attacks on others, except in self defense.

Communists never have been and never will be authoritarian? Marengo Aug 2017 #1
Communists will, since they've been seen, in reality, to be authoritarian. Socialism is not. ancianita Aug 2017 #4
Perhaps you should amend the statement "The Left will never be authoritarian." in your OP. Marengo Aug 2017 #5
The Cuban regime is not authoritarian? Marengo Aug 2017 #7
Nope. That's the hard line clung to by old cold warrior leaders here. It's not. I've been there. ancianita Aug 2017 #14
Does the political opposition have the same level of access to the media, and the same amount... Marengo Aug 2017 #18
Cuba is a one party state, a socialist state with province representation from The People. ancianita Aug 2017 #20
Does the Cuban government allow criticism of itself in the media? Criticism from non-communist Marengo Aug 2017 #22
Why is Cuba a one-Party state? Marengo Aug 2017 #84
Socialism is The People's state, so there is no "us vs. them" political mentality. ancianita Aug 2017 #85
There is no political opposition to the one-party state in Cuba? Marengo Aug 2017 #86
There is intense discussion. No memberships. No "us vs. them" politics. Just solidarity politics. ancianita Aug 2017 #103
Disgusting. You're making excuses for communist authoritarians LittleBlue Aug 2017 #42
The laugh shows you as not only disrespectful but not understanding a thing about antifa history. ancianita Aug 2017 #46
You ever think that being a free American tourist in Cuba is different than LittleBlue Aug 2017 #75
Oh, no doubt a tourist is different! But a Spanish speaking tourist like me asks questions and gets ancianita Aug 2017 #77
No kidding. This isn't Totalitarian Underground. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #87
... ancianita Aug 2017 #93
Eastern Europe will be surprised to hear that. DetlefK Aug 2017 #51
Just more proof that communism has shown itself as authoritarian. You're right. ancianita Aug 2017 #83
I wonder why we never have any Cubans (in Cuba) on the forum? Bonx Aug 2017 #94
Me, too. I mentioned Marco Rubio to Cubans. They laughed, said anyone who visits Cuba knows more ancianita Aug 2017 #95
Invite some of your new Cuban acquaintances to participate here. Bonx Aug 2017 #96
You're right. I should. There were eight of us, four of whom are fluent in Spanish; one English-only ancianita Aug 2017 #98
I meant invite some Cubans that are currently in Cuba to participate. Bonx Aug 2017 #99
Their problem is that 95% of the country has no Internet. It's in blackout. Partly because they ancianita Aug 2017 #101
Also, what forum is the DU equivalent for regular folks in Cuba? Bonx Aug 2017 #97
I've never seen one. I do have a two excellent links you can start with, though. ancianita Aug 2017 #100
Yeah, tell it to the 100 million killed by Communist political violence around the world Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #8
I'm not presenting the authoritarian left. I'm talking about anti-fascism, socialism and solidarity. ancianita Aug 2017 #19
There are anti-fascist elements that are as authoritarian as the fascists, such as Maoists etc. Marengo Aug 2017 #28
Of course. When we demand commitment to solidarity, we can literally 'see' both sides' provocateurs. ancianita Aug 2017 #30
Are the authoritarian and anti-democratic elements within the antifa movement as a whole being... Marengo Aug 2017 #33
From what my friends say, yes. The church and other orgs are clear headed about solidarity. ancianita Aug 2017 #35
Antifa is dirty bath water. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #88
So what is your solution to the rise of fascism. Tell us. ancianita Aug 2017 #89
Strengthing the liberal side and electing Democrats to office. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #90
That's it? Welp, not one person on this thread, or in DU, has expressed anything to the contrary. ancianita Aug 2017 #91
IMO Liberals don't support violent political movements that are clear enemies of liberalism. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #92
Here is the article in case anyone wants to read it: demmiblue Aug 2017 #2
Thanks. It's best to go with the original text. ancianita Aug 2017 #3
The ones who show up at G7 events.. speaktruthtopower Aug 2017 #6
Agreed, though I'm still not sure we know the G7 ideologies they protest better than they do. ancianita Aug 2017 #11
Of course, the antifa are like heros, Progressive dog Aug 2017 #9
We've moved from refighting the primary to refighting the Spanish Civil War. yardwork Aug 2017 #10
For sure, I think we can think of a lot of anti-fascists in the arts. ancianita Aug 2017 #12
Are you familiar with George Orwell's books? yardwork Aug 2017 #13
Yes. Your point? ancianita Aug 2017 #15
Homage to Catalonia. I recommend it. Good read. yardwork Aug 2017 #23
He is at the top of my list of writers. I have The Complete Works of Orwell. ancianita Aug 2017 #27
I don't get it either. FSogol Aug 2017 #17
"Antifa" is mainly a new iteration of the '80s "radical liberal," Hortensis Aug 2017 #16
Interesting references. I distinguish decentralized socialism from centralized fascism. Antifa ancianita Aug 2017 #21
Political words change meaning over time. If it can be weaponized Hortensis Aug 2017 #24
This past English teacher and student of linguistics agrees.How words get changed is the politics of ancianita Aug 2017 #25
The so-called 'antifa' is the same old 'anarchists' who have been showing up for years! yallerdawg Aug 2017 #26
Not in Charlottesville. Not where my friends see it. One travel friend walked arm-in-arm with Cornel ancianita Aug 2017 #29
What I'm saying is... yallerdawg Aug 2017 #31
True. That, they do. Media bias is simple: give the appearance of thought for profit. ancianita Aug 2017 #36
If antifa doesn't purge it's violent members .... kwassa Aug 2017 #34
Freedom of assembly means that we ALL have to keep them out of protests. Let's be clear: ancianita Aug 2017 #38
Cornel West, the guy who sat on the Democratic Platform Committe Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #40
I'm not the only Democrat who respects him. There are plenty of black Democrats who do, too. ancianita Aug 2017 #43
Cornel West called President Obama the "first niggerized black president." Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #45
That's it? West said some words you don't like? Throw his entire history as a black Democrat ancianita Aug 2017 #47
No, Cornel West was addressing President Obama directly when he called him "niggerized." Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #48
Context is still everything--of Cornel West's life and work, and of the black tradition of critique. ancianita Aug 2017 #68
Ad hominem attacks on me are not welcome and are a violation of board rules. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #69
You missed my point. Obama knows that West was describing context, not faulting Obama. ancianita Aug 2017 #71
That's who they were in Berkeley wryter2000 Aug 2017 #102
"Antifa is 'A major gift to the right.'"---Noam Chomsky Petrushka Aug 2017 #32
He isn't the last word on what works and what doesn't. This will sort itself out, with attention ancianita Aug 2017 #37
Everyone* stands up to Nazis Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #39
That's what you think I mean. It's not. ancianita Aug 2017 #44
Nope! Can't stand with extremists from the Left or the Right. If that's casting shade, so be it. Petrushka Aug 2017 #41
Exactly. We need a dedicated anti-fascism force in this country ck4829 Aug 2017 #50
Of, just do it with peace and non violence Not Ruth Aug 2017 #52
K&R ck4829 Aug 2017 #49
When i was growing up the word "abolitionist" was a bad word and they were dangerous people. haveahart Aug 2017 #53
History proves how large groups of people can get the language of solidarity wrong. ancianita Aug 2017 #66
Nancy Pelosi isn't an Antifa fan. jalan48 Aug 2017 #54
Right. Anyone avoids groups that try to defend against toxic racist fascism. The scene is scary, but ancianita Aug 2017 #57
You're contributing to the "many sides" argument of Trump. jalan48 Aug 2017 #58
That's as far from my intent as any antifa support can be. But please explain more what ideas are ancianita Aug 2017 #63
Do you think everyone who refers to themselves as Antifa is actually Antifa? jalan48 Aug 2017 #64
Are you refusing to elaborate on your claim? Your questions seem to imply that you feel no ancianita Aug 2017 #65
The problem as I see it is lumping all who oppose Fascism into one group-"Antifa". jalan48 Aug 2017 #67
Well, the word sounds weird, yes; likely, the word got shortened for efficiency's sake. ancianita Aug 2017 #70
OK. I came up with a name to replace "Antifa." I answered Mineral Man's suggestion: U.S. DEFENDER ancianita Aug 2017 #74
I like it! jalan48 Aug 2017 #82
Re: Your list of American anti-fascists Petrushka Aug 2017 #55
Thank you! I wonder why. It's a wikipedia page. Puzzling. ancianita Aug 2017 #59
You're welcome! But . . . considering my extensive library . . . Petrushka Aug 2017 #72
I hear ya loud and clear, lady! ancianita Aug 2017 #73
A new book called "Antifa" by Mark Bray Cal Carpenter Aug 2017 #56
Thank you! I'll be getting it today. It's great that we share readings in times of signal-to-noise ancianita Aug 2017 #61
Thank you and a HUGE K&R!!! Coventina Aug 2017 #60
... ancianita Aug 2017 #62
Rec'd and bookmarking underpants Aug 2017 #76
DURec leftstreet Aug 2017 #78
Hey, there's a helluva lot going on. No worries. I'm glad you're reading here. Thank you! ancianita Aug 2017 #80
The Atlantic took a hard right in the 80s Warpy Aug 2017 #79
So true. I used to subscribe to them both. Still love Harper's. I don't agree about EU antifascism. ancianita Aug 2017 #81
Too many people equate anti-fascism with anti-capitalism and anarchism... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #104
Yes, important points. Also, we need to focus on a model that can best secure nationwide solidarity ancianita Aug 2017 #105
Yes! And thanks for pointing to Putin's Russia as a successful form of Fascism... AntiFascist Aug 2017 #106
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