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aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
127. Yes, but its possible that none of them were ratfuckers.
Tue Aug 29, 2017, 05:59 PM
Aug 2017

I'm sure some were, but there were conservatives who genuinely liked Bernie as an outsider. I think they ended up voting for Trump for similar reasons and he wasn't HRC.
All About The Base: Why Open Primaries and Caucuses Are a Terrible Idea Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #1
If you need a babysitter to go caucus that means your babysitter is SOL. He or she cannot go. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #6
OPEN PRIMARIES means RATFUCKING Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #8
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!! tonyt53 Aug 2017 #29
The "logic" in the article is amusing mythology Aug 2017 #48
I want to make it easy for our BASE to vote. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author lostnfound Aug 2017 #71
How does a closed primary aquamarina Aug 2017 #94
They get to get in and out. Plus some states got early or absentee voting Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #99
I have no idea what you are trying to argue. aquamarina Aug 2017 #101
Ahhh...the open primary argument mostly made by non-Dems. brush Aug 2017 #64
I am not a member of the Dem aquamarina Aug 2017 #96
The big tent includes left, center and even blue dog democrats. DEMOCRATS. brush Aug 2017 #100
I prefer not to be a member of a political party. aquamarina Aug 2017 #102
So you didn't want to stay involved and help change what you didn't like? brush Aug 2017 #104
I most definitely did make a decision and fortunately aquamarina Aug 2017 #107
"I am in California and as long as my state allows open primaries..." lapucelle Aug 2017 #130
Yes, you are correct and I mis-spoke in my statement aquamarina Aug 2017 #132
It was not an open primary. lapucelle Aug 2017 #136
The OP asks whether or not aquamarina Aug 2017 #139
I'm a long time party member and volunteer. lapucelle Aug 2017 #143
I guess everyone has their own strategy. aquamarina Aug 2017 #146
But romana Aug 2017 #129
Well I would ask, aquamarina Aug 2017 #131
I agree with you fallout87 Aug 2017 #152
Thank you and I agree. aquamarina Aug 2017 #154
And my personal favorite: fallout87 Aug 2017 #155
Thanks for breaking this all down. Good post. brush Aug 2017 #61
Or, in cold states, a cold winter night, with possible icy roads question everything Aug 2017 #76
The timing of the caucuses in Washington state clearly favors college students. LisaM Aug 2017 #106
There has fallout87 Aug 2017 #153
How about they try to bridge the divide? LisaM Aug 2017 #156
closed primaries would be best. imho. riversedge Aug 2017 #2
Absolutely. Only DEMS choosing the DEM candidate. Wanna vote? You are free to REGISTER Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #3
Why is it so hard for some people to comprehend this? tonyt53 Aug 2017 #31
Yes please! Closed primaries. NO caucuses. And... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #4
They have free time to go to a caucus but not to register! LOL! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #5
But keep the superdelegates? n/t NotASurfer Aug 2017 #7
Many of us like them! Deal! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #9
Because..? NotASurfer Aug 2017 #23
Yes. This, too. Thank you! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #17
I'm actually down with that... Wounded Bear Aug 2017 #39
absolutely !!! Especially after Red Don ... why is this even a question? thx in advance uponit7771 Aug 2017 #51
That's an easy one. If the repugs had had superdelegates, they wouldn't have avoided trump... brush Aug 2017 #66
Good, but not every state reguires you to register as a member of a political party. FSogol Aug 2017 #10
In California aquamarina Aug 2017 #98
I'm OK with no caucuses, but fuck superdelegates and I prefer open primaries. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #11
OPEN PRIMARIES means RATFUCKING from NON DEM FRIENDS . No thank you Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #13
There aren't enough rat fuckers to warrant disenfranchising genuine left-leaning independents. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #15
Disenfranchising my arse! LOL! Register Register Register. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #16
No need to Register Register Register as a Democrat with open primaries. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #28
We disagree. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #41
The point is Democrats voting in Democratic primaries. Not ratfuckers try to influence our... brush Aug 2017 #73
"Open primaries and caucuses gave us the divisiveness we experienced in 2016" aikoaiko Aug 2017 #126
Short memory? The caucuses that Sanders won were a point of divisiveness. They were... brush Aug 2017 #149
We're bordering on refighting the primary so I'll back off. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #150
Yes they do! tonyt53 Aug 2017 #33
LOL! That's not what "disenfranchising" means. The price one pays for the vanity of... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #19
Disenfranchisement doesn't have to be absolute to be disenfranchising. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #27
Oh, stop it! As it applies to THIS topic, there is NO "disenfranchisement" going on when... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #52
Exactly. nt Blue_true Aug 2017 #142
If they're allies let them vote Dem in the general. Democrats should pick Democratic candidates. brush Aug 2017 #75
We could do that but we run the risk of alienating our allies aikoaiko Aug 2017 #110
Versus allowing our non-allies to pull dirty tricks in voting in our primaries? brush Aug 2017 #117
I don't think requiring D membership is going to stop dirty tricks in primaries. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #125
Thank you for saying this! tonyt53 Aug 2017 #36
I especially liked how you supported your premise with objective, peer-reviewed analysis LanternWaste Aug 2017 #53
wasn't there a recent survey NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #70
I think neither choice is right. FourScore Aug 2017 #91
I said many of those 12% NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #108
Yes, but its possible that none of them were ratfuckers. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #127
I'd love to see your source for that "fact." brer cat Aug 2017 #121
I'm not saying it can't happen in a small district in the south, aikoaiko Aug 2017 #128
If you are left leaning, register Dem. Blue_true Aug 2017 #141
Nah, you get right-leaning independents and ratfuckers with open primaries... brush Aug 2017 #69
I agree completely with your points. aquamarina Aug 2017 #93
What is wrong with declaring a party when you register? Blue_true Aug 2017 #140
I suppose I shouldn't expect fierce Democratic party loyalists to understand the ambivalence aikoaiko Aug 2017 #144
If you don't like the rules, create your own party. Blue_true Aug 2017 #145
Or we can be inclusive and allow open primaries. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #147
I disagree. True Democrats should choose the party nominee. Blue_true Aug 2017 #148
I'm fine with getting rid of caucuses but closed primaries are a terribly short sighted idea phleshdef Aug 2017 #12
Closed Primary means REGISTER! Oh no! The calamity! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #14
You have to register in an open primary too. phleshdef Aug 2017 #20
I actually use open primaries to vote in the Republican primary Pope George Ringo II Aug 2017 #68
I think a lot more RWers cross over to vote Democrat NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #72
Probably true. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2017 #87
I have never read a convincing argument in favor of open primaries Orrex Aug 2017 #18
Open primaries are a very effective party recruiting tool phleshdef Aug 2017 #21
Suuuuuuure! I prefer registering as part of recruiting! - nice try. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #24
You keep repeating the lie that you don't have to register to vote phleshdef Aug 2017 #57
You mean people that register on the way in & change their registration on the way out. NO THANKS Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #59
Thats some mythical bullshit you are bathing yourself in there phleshdef Aug 2017 #60
"Bullshit"and "Puritanical"" Obsession" too? woah! LOL! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #63
Bolding my posts and using a lot of caps doesn't strengthen your argument in the slightest. phleshdef Aug 2017 #67
Nah I was just impressed with your tactics. Reminded me of a wonderful year called 2016 Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #79
I don't have "tactics". I have insight. You should give it a spin sometime. phleshdef Aug 2017 #80
Yep that's the word for it! In sight full. I see you- sincere DEM you Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #85
Insight, no space. phleshdef Aug 2017 #113
I reject that fairy tale entirely Orrex Aug 2017 #26
I reject your rejection as it isn't born out by any facts phleshdef Aug 2017 #58
Your fairy tale is short hand for "abolish primaries altogether" Orrex Aug 2017 #62
Your fairy tale is "lets rely on a base of 31% of Americans" to win elections. phleshdef Aug 2017 #65
Of course, that is absolutely not my view Orrex Aug 2017 #83
My argument is very convincing for those that actually understand Obama's 2008 victory. You do not. phleshdef Aug 2017 #112
Well, I'll give you this much: Orrex Aug 2017 #114
I condescend to those who deserve to be condescended to. phleshdef Aug 2017 #115
Golly! Orrex Aug 2017 #116
My state (VA) doesn't have a mechanism for registering with a party. FSogol Aug 2017 #46
Yeah, I recall that from the past primary season Orrex Aug 2017 #54
I wouldn't mind a open primary, but changing the Commonwealth's election law is much FSogol Aug 2017 #81
Yeah, that's a good point Orrex Aug 2017 #84
In VA, the GOP is deathly afraid liberals will vote in their primaries. FSogol Aug 2017 #88
*NO* caucuses, ABSOLUTELY!1 They are a drag on the process, are indeed SUPPRESSION UTUSN Aug 2017 #22
Yes, end cacuses and limit primaries to registered Democrats. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #25
Yep! I find it suspect people saying otherwise. WTF that about. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #32
This is called "learnin'!" yallerdawg Aug 2017 #30
??? Say more... Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #35
Our loss in the 2016 presidential election started in the primary. yallerdawg Aug 2017 #44
Yep! Lesson learned! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #47
Open Primary Operation Chaos Freddie Aug 2017 #34
Makes sense. Wondering why some people don't seem to care about that. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #38
Thank you for remembering this NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #74
Caucuses had a lot to do with Obama winning the nomination in 2008. yellowcanine Aug 2017 #37
I caucused for Obama in 08 and Sanders in 16. Both benefited from the caucus system. Yet I still TacoD Aug 2017 #43
End caucuses, end superdelegates, allow same-day registration. TacoD Aug 2017 #40
Agreed on all but ending super delegates. If the repugs had had super delegates... brush Aug 2017 #77
i used to defend out states caucuses. I loved them..so grassroots...but after last year... samnsara Aug 2017 #42
While I agree with the OP, I think it will be difficult to achieve, since states choose how they still_one Aug 2017 #45
Yes, but important to let it known that caucuses are suppressing our base voters who work, etc Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #49
No doubt about it. It discriminates against people who are not mobile or who cannot get to the still_one Aug 2017 #82
and adverse to paying for it nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #86
Another reason why those states may be adverse to it still_one Aug 2017 #92
I agree that caucuses make it difficult for many people to participate. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #55
Locking out all the Independent voters in closed primaries would backfire. procon Aug 2017 #56
This is pretty simple, really..... Adrahil Aug 2017 #90
No,not really. aquamarina Aug 2017 #109
That is a different question.... Adrahil Aug 2017 #119
Well I think it is a big problem that only two political parties aquamarina Aug 2017 #120
So you refuse to join the party... Adrahil Aug 2017 #122
No, I simply do not feel aquamarina Aug 2017 #124
I couldn't join the party if I wanted to. My state doesn't have party registration. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #137
For the daily rehash GaryCnf Aug 2017 #78
Time makes a difference of whether you bring your kids or not. Or need non-voting babysitter. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #89
Wow, you really have no concept GaryCnf Aug 2017 #95
Wow to your wow! You don't know me. You sincere caring person you! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #97
Somehow it seems nicer GaryCnf Aug 2017 #105
K&R mcar Aug 2017 #103
That is what let the third party people into our party. redstatebluegirl Aug 2017 #111
ABSOLUTELY!!! No More undemocratic caucuses! lunamagica Aug 2017 #118
I agree wholeheartedly. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #123
Most states have state, not party, regulations. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #133
No kidding. But some people............. tonyt53 Aug 2017 #151
The problem with eliminating caucuses and closed primaries LiberalFighter Aug 2017 #134
Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #135
Here is my take. Blue_true Aug 2017 #138
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