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In reply to the discussion: What the Media Got Wrong About Last Weekends Protests in Berkeley [View all]maxsolomon
(32,992 posts)17. Don't you know the American Left must be Ghandi crossed with MLK?
No matter what you do to us, we're not supposed to fight back physically, or all our beliefs are rendered illegitimate. Non-violence is the only route open to the Left, or we turn on our own. Meanwhile, the Right gets to brandish weapons and the cops stand aside.
On 1/20/17, Antifa Medic Joshua Dukes took pepper spray away from Mark Hokoana (he was deploying it on protestors in front of the Police), so his wife Elizabeth Hokoana shot him at close range. It took the City of Seattle months to file charges, and UW hasn't even banned her from campus after clearly violating their campus firearm policy.
Pretty clear where the violence is coming from.
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They are not welcome in Berkeley, arguably the most liberal community in the USA.
Expecting Rain
Aug 2017
#5
Then why did the progressive (Bernie Sanders-endorsed) Mayor of Berkeley...
Expecting Rain
Aug 2017
#4
What forms do rejections of fascism take, then? What has worked to stop its growth so far?
ancianita
Aug 2017
#6
"No face, no place" means that those who want to demonstrate on "our side" should not wear masks...
Expecting Rain
Aug 2017
#9
Of course it's not difficult to understand. You can drop the shade casting. Of course I'd support it
ancianita
Aug 2017
#10
Noam Chomsky is wrong. Silence allows all the genocides he's ever covered. I've read him,
ancianita
Aug 2017
#12
Chompsy is wrong, the Mayor of Berkeley is wrong, I'm wrong, everyone is wrong...
Expecting Rain
Aug 2017
#14
Clever by half. You don't represent everyone. Some leaders are mistaken.Chomsky is no authority on
ancianita
Aug 2017
#18
Explain, exactly, how people of good will have prevented the growth of 900+ fascist groups so far.
ancianita
Aug 2017
#13
If I defend my kids from being intimidated, bullied, even hit, is my cause just? Is my due force
ancianita
Aug 2017
#8
Thanks for your thoughts. It's judgment. Standing on the street in the face of hate, you can see
ancianita
Aug 2017
#20
Fair enough, free country. Who decides "immediate danger"? Me in my home? Or you, outside my
ancianita
Aug 2017
#25
Indeed. It's ugly. It's going to get uglier. We need to keep a chronology of these current clashes
ancianita
Aug 2017
#28
Be sure to count smashed windows and overturned newspaper boxes as "violence"
maxsolomon
Aug 2017
#31
I agree. Amplification by media are almost always the false equivalency source for these claims.
ancianita
Aug 2017
#29
It's damned sad that antifa have to check themselves with "taking a knife to a gunfight" attitude.
ancianita
Aug 2017
#30
Thank you back! I'll quote my favorite TV writer, and free speech absolutist, Jenji Kohan,
ancianita
Sep 2017
#34