progressive values and democratic party politics

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33. Your claim

This is the same platform

That rejected raising the taxable income cap on SS income and got booed in the debate

This is what "the same platform" actually says:

Expand Social Security for those who need it most and who are treated unfairly by the current system—including women who are widows and those who took significant time out of the paid workforce to take care of their children, aging parents, or ailing family members. Social Security works well, but it should work better. Hillary will fight to expand Social Security for those who need it most and who are treated unfairly today. For instance:
The poverty rate for widowed women 65 or older is nearly 90 percent higher than for other seniors—in part because when a spouse dies, families can face a steep benefit cut. For a two-earner couple, those benefit cuts can be as much as 50 percent. Hillary believes that we have to change that by reducing how much Social Security benefits drop when a spouse dies, so that the loss of a spouse doesn't ’t mean financial hardship or falling into poverty.
Millions of women—and men—take time out of the paid workforce to raise a child, take care of an aging parent or look after an ailing family member. Caregiving is hard work that benefits our entire economy. However, when Americans take time off to take care of a relative, that can reduce their Social Security benefits at retirement, since those benefits are calculated based on their top 35 years of earnings. No one should face meager Social Security checks because they took on the vital role of caregiver for part of their career. Americans should receive credit toward their Social Security benefits when they are out of the paid workforce because they are acting as caregivers.

Preserve Social Security for decades to come by asking the wealthiest to contribute more. Social Security must continue to guarantee dignity in retirement for future generations. Hillary understands that there is no way to accomplish that goal without asking the highest-income Americans to pay more, including options to tax some of their income above the current Social Security cap and taxing some of their income not currently taken into account by the Social Security system.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/social-security-and-medicare/

Your claim about her platform is factually and demonstrably false.

As for your clip, it does not show her rejecting raising the cap on Social Security. In fact, it omits the majority of the discussion. Why do you suppose the person who posted it chose to omit the majority of the discussion? Clearly the point was not to help voters become informed on the candidates' stands on social security but to clip one section that he believed made Hillary look bad, yet it doesn't even show her rejecting raising the cap.

Which debates is this? Was this the same debate where she talked about increasing benefits for lower income Americans, particularly women who fare worse under SS--a proposal that Sanders rejected?
There were not 2 but 9 planned DNC debates and several other forums and town halls held by the cable news networks. To verify if she truly did "reject raising the cap on social security" we need to be able to see the entire segment where that discussion took place, not just the 34 seconds someone opposed to her put on Youtube.


Additionally, you started out by claiming you wanted more progressive policies, only to list a series of positions that our nominee advanced during the last election. You then claim to care about the environment, but not enough to actually bother reading a couple of paragraphs on the sites of one of the two major candidates for president.

I'm sure you're right that most voters didn't read it. People are poorly informed, and some are committed to keeping them that way. If you want to remain under-informed, you are of course within your rights to do so, but then I submit you shouldn't really be making pronouncements about issues that you don't care enough to read even a little bit about. Democratic self-government requires that citizens inform themselves, that they take at least a few minutes to read about the most crucial issues facing the nation and the planet. It is impossible to play any productive role in advancing those causes without doing so.

I don't favor the low-information voter approach to politics myself. I believe in informing myself and pointing other to how they can become informed so that they can make the most informed decisions. I take that approach because I care about my country and I care about democracy. The people who post 34 second clips on Youtube seek to keep the public misinformed. They seek to mislead and promote an agenda--whether that be the election of their own favorite politician to power or to ratfuck an election to promote interests of a foreign power. They are part of the problem, not because they don't prefer the same politician I did in that primary but because the promote ignorance and misinformation. It is that misinformation and propaganda that led to the election of Donald Trump and the rise of fascism , which was indeed the purpose of the anti-Clinton, anti-Democratic propaganda, as testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee has established. Voters fell for that because of they were uninformed and because they lacked the ability or inclination to inform themselves. That is how democracy fails in America, and that matters far more than which particular politician wins an election.

Your online gamer buddies didn't want "more of the same." They wanted change, and they got it. They got Nazis in the streets with Tiki torches, nearly a million DACA recipients about to be deported, they got a president who is using the office to enrich himself and who is a pathological liar. They got White Supremacists in the Oval Office, and plans to slash taxes on the rich and on corporations. They got a White House and Congress working round the clock to find ways to throw millions of people off healthcare and kill tens of thousands. They got a president threatening nuclear war. They wanted change, and they got exactly what they voted for.

But hey, at least the president is a white male rapist rather than a woman or a black man. That's what really counts.