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37. Good article, can't wait to read the book. Parenthetically....

Sat Sep 9, 2017, 12:07 PM

Sep 2017

....you barely touched on the primaries here, in your last paragraph, and then only with respect to how the media played it.

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Hillary Clinton ran a great campaign and I can prove it [View all] Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 OP

I recc'd Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #1

Criminal conduct altered the election results. How much of the criminal conduct remains hidden? L. Coyote Sep 2017 #46

L.Coyote on this I am with you more than 100% Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #47

I agree. I think even some polls in key districts may have been hacked. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2017 #87

Up 3 million popular votes says it all. democratisphere Sep 2017 #2

In a democracy, Hillary won. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #3

Yes! The last 2 Republicans Prez had to cheat to become Prez! Interesting. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #5

actually 90-percent Sep 2017 #6

Exactly. Nixon and Reagan both committed treason with Vietnam and Iran respectively brush Sep 2017 #8

That certainly give a good perspective PatSeg Sep 2017 #15

The electoral college True_Blue Sep 2017 #16

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Gerrymandering has nothing to do with the presidential election mythology Sep 2017 #17

Yes, it does. Gerrymandered state districts affect the composition of the state legislatures, pnwmom Sep 2017 #58

Voter suppression laws that affect the General Election are created in the State Houses.(nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #130

Gerrymandering definitely does affect our presidential elections FakeNoose Sep 2017 #138

What? Electoral votes are awarded based on a state's total vote count. Demit Sep 2017 #154

What specifically leads you to allege that? LanternWaste Sep 2017 #180

K&R... revmclaren Sep 2017 #4

Barack Obama ran a great campaign, Hillarty Clinton did not. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2017 #7

She ran a great campaign, as did Obama. n/t ehrnst Sep 2017 #13

Actually, she did, and America chose her to be our president. Hortensis Sep 2017 #35

"America chose her to be our president." - We don't choose our President by popular vote. PoliticAverse Sep 2017 #43

Yes, we do. The electoral college subverts the choice of the people. Hortensis Sep 2017 #44

Who is denying she won the popular vote? The people in denial are the ones that believe... PoliticAverse Sep 2017 #48

Campaigns aren't capable of changing voter suppression in states, and combat Russia ehrnst Sep 2017 #134

She won. And nothing more she could have done would keep the election from being stolen. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #56

A big K&R brush Sep 2017 #9

Yes she did! Thank you for posting this! lunamagica Sep 2017 #10

Media rarely aired her words mcar Sep 2017 #11

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #14

The news media was highly derelict in its duty in 2015-2016 Saviolo Sep 2017 #18

The media failed to cover Hillary's policy speeches lapucelle Sep 2017 #71

For profit media sunk her. sharedvalues Sep 2017 #148

Yep - and yet it's paraded as some sort of "advantage" she had over ehrnst Sep 2017 #160

I wish we lived in a world where the difference between "explanation" and "excuse" was understood. ehrnst Sep 2017 #12

Your explanation about excuses and explanations make sense. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #24

After the election, PatSeg Sep 2017 #19

You sound so sensible! I myself have always been a supporter but like your take. Thanks! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #25

You're welcome PatSeg Sep 2017 #55

About the "limited" or "rigged" debate schedule : ehrnst Sep 2017 #129

Thanks for this, ehrnst! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #133

My complaint at the time PatSeg Sep 2017 #136

I hope the post I shared clarified that the "debates were rigged by DNC/DWS" trope is false. ehrnst Sep 2017 #161

+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Sep 2017 #20

+1000 sheshe2 Sep 2017 #21

If We're Honest, The Presidency Was Stolen From Hillary dlk Sep 2017 #22

That's the absolute truth nini Sep 2017 #29

This! True_Blue Sep 2017 #32

Well, stolen from all of us, really. unblock Sep 2017 #33

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Bush, Powell, Cheney all used private servers as well True_Blue Sep 2017 #64

but ... but ... but ... hers was in a basement theirs were in some other corporation that could be YCHDT Sep 2017 #98

Utter bullshit. First, she won the votes. More than any but Obama in '08. ehrnst Sep 2017 #67

+1,"Brocialists " YCHDT Sep 2017 #99

BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!! We...DO...get to dismiss, bullshit ass'd, out of context half truth and lies... YCHDT Sep 2017 #97

No shit. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #66

+1 YCHDT Sep 2017 #95

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #125

haters gotta hate. they will blame her for everything... shes samnsara Sep 2017 #23

Those people have a hissing fit are proving her points and feelings. nini Sep 2017 #26

Yep, in the meantime many of us are beyond glad to have her speak! We are thrilled! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #49

woulda, coulda, shoulda KPN Sep 2017 #27

Is that what constitutes proof? aikoaiko Sep 2017 #28

Win some, lose some. LOL! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #30

Very slightly different results and they'd be saying she ran a brilliant campaign unblock Sep 2017 #31

What a difference 30k votes in the rust belt makes, huh? Fiendish Thingy Sep 2017 #50

Do you have a link to the offer by Sanders sheshe2 Sep 2017 #171

Here's a few Fiendish Thingy Sep 2017 #174

There are choices on the spectrum between "great" and "poor". n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2017 #60

You know that and I know that but unblock Sep 2017 #61

Palmer Report click bait headline and request for money oberliner Sep 2017 #34

Why and how did she miss all of those disgruntled voters in WI and MI ?? vkkv Sep 2017 #36

The assumptions about the strength of the "blue wall" hurt Clinton. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #82

She won more votes than any but Obama '08. But that disrupts the "crappy campaign" narrative. ehrnst Sep 2017 #127

I'm just asking you to clarify. vkkv Sep 2017 #142

Good article, can't wait to read the book. Parenthetically.... George II Sep 2017 #37

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #38

No-she didn't brooklynite Sep 2017 #39

She ran a good enough campaign to win those states--decisively--had it not been for StevieM Sep 2017 #77

Making some mistakes does not equal bad campaign. ehrnst Sep 2017 #121

Kick and Rec, Madam45 for2923 Hekate Sep 2017 #40

Running a great campaign would have meant campaigning to win shawn703 Sep 2017 #41

Electoral math, Clinton's reoccurring nightmare. Same in2008. Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #52

You are very much mistaken about PA. lapucelle Sep 2017 #72

I don't remember her campaigning in Missouri and Indiana. StevieM Sep 2017 #81

I don't think Trump had given up on MI & WI dragonfly301 Sep 2017 #131

Interesting article, but it only talks about his campaign stops in the final weeks. StevieM Sep 2017 #140

If you like data you might like this gif from 538 dragonfly301 Sep 2017 #168

Soooooooo, Comey did NOT matter? thx in advance YCHDT Sep 2017 #101

+about a million... NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #42

Thanks NR, that site has been on a roll these days! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #45

Gender Studies scholar Susan Bordo lapucelle Sep 2017 #73

Thanks for the great recommendations, lapucelle! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #74

You can read the first chapter of Bordo's book on Amazon. lapucelle Sep 2017 #75

Nice! Found it in my local library. Put a hold on it. Great to have a chapter to read, thanks! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #85

Fantastic read. Thank you for sharing. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #128

remember that one of the people quoted in this exchange, Cilliza dsc Sep 2017 #54

Great campaigns win. You don't lock up swing states weeks ahead of time. Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #51

More troops in Michigan would not have won the election for her. StevieM Sep 2017 #78

Sorry the math behind field work it's pretty predictable so you're wrong. Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #150

That simply isn't true IMO. StevieM Sep 2017 #155

It isn't about pulling troops Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #157

Oh, the "she should have been so far ahead Comey should not have mattered" ehrnst Sep 2017 #183

She did win. Against so many odds, she got more votes than anyone but Obama in '08 ehrnst Sep 2017 #123

More votes isn't a win unless you're in a democracy. Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #149

Whereas Donald's MISTAKES did not cost him b/c he did not contend with none of what she had to Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #152

Yeah and that was going on the whole time and her campaign knew it. Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #153

Sources please? And why is she the only Democratic candidate that ehrnst Sep 2017 #158

Sources for which non controversial fact? Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #172

I see. You don't have any. ehrnst Sep 2017 #177

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Oh you googled. So show me one that says "Obama's team called and said the same thing" ehrnst Sep 2017 #182

Yes, and some Sanders supporters here are claiming that negative coverage of her ehrnst Sep 2017 #159

What cost the White House was Comey and Voter Suppression. ehrnst Sep 2017 #156

K&R and shared everywhere I can. HDS is going to be nuts this week. nolabear Sep 2017 #53

"the fringe left" contributed to her loss. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #57

K&R Jamaal510 Sep 2017 #62

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I am moving on. Living in present-day. I do hope the party is doing the same. nt joet67 Sep 2017 #65

You can't move forward effectively if you don't learn from the past ehrnst Sep 2017 #124

Actually, we can. We need to support viable candidates and issues. If we didn't joet67 Sep 2017 #173

We "can" move ahead without learning from history? ehrnst Sep 2017 #175

You're making the assumption that Hill flapping her tongue will somehow help us learn. joet67 Sep 2017 #184

INTERESTING COMMENTS. I think Comey committed CRIMINAL ACTS and should be indicted trueblue2007 Sep 2017 #68

In his own way Comey is more dangerous than Trump. (eom) StevieM Sep 2017 #79

K&R betsuni Sep 2017 #69

Nope. She lost. broadcaster90210 Sep 2017 #70

She would have won--decisively--had the FBI not rigged the election. (eom) StevieM Sep 2017 #76

Stevie .... i agree with you 10000000000000000000000000% (percent) trueblue2007 Sep 2017 #80

She was cheated we all agree on that to some degree. YCHDT Sep 2017 #103

Compelling argument. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #122

It kills me that a candidate who got more votes than anyone in history, save Obama, is called "unexc Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #83

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Yeah let's keep minimizing excitement of many of her voters! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #102

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Because we knew it was based on all the crap that was fed through RW lies. Add to that Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #106

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Why did you hold your nose? betsuni Sep 2017 #107

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Welcome to DU Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #111

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Again your concern is noted, but it is misplaced & your facts are wrong. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #115

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You won't be around long enough for anyone to agree with you. betsuni Sep 2017 #114

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I'll miss you, WrightStuff, and your large shot across my bow. betsuni Sep 2017 #118

I think, like the flu, he will be back after mutating his username. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #176

The campaign I witnessed wasn't great. hay rick Sep 2017 #84

She was a great candidate and should have won sharedvalues Sep 2017 #146

Much of what you say is true, but she didn't run a "Great" campaign and SHE says so by admitting LBM20 Sep 2017 #86

Exactly. The media are to blame. sharedvalues Sep 2017 #88

And all this time I've been repeatedly told PDittie Sep 2017 #94

No other candidate in history had2go through a hostile MSM,Wikileaks, Russian leaks and FBI leaks! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #113

It's all the above. Media had possibly biggest effect sharedvalues Sep 2017 #120

plus the goodie but oldie: voter suppression Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #126

Voter suppression: IDs, cross-check sharedvalues Sep 2017 #143

What about Facebook ads? PDittie Sep 2017 #141

Facebook dark ads from Trump and Russia sharedvalues Sep 2017 #144

Proud of Her! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #89

Great campaigns are campaigns that win. white_wolf Sep 2017 #90

No other candidate in history had2go through a hostile MSM,Wikileaks, Russian leaks and FBI leaks! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #100

This is what Trump and Russia both say sharedvalues Sep 2017 #147

This is the simple truth melman Sep 2017 #179

"I'm goint to put a lot of coal miners out of work" doesn't equal a great campaign MrPurple Sep 2017 #91

No other candidate in history had2go through a hostile MSM,Wikileaks, Russian leaks and FBI leaks! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #104

Agreed, but giving the soundbite, "I'm going to put a lot of miners out of work" is a bad candidate MrPurple Sep 2017 #178

"and shes placing the bulk of the blame for her loss on herself." MadDAsHell Sep 2017 #92

K + R Raastan Sep 2017 #93

why prove it janterry Sep 2017 #110

not exactly proof, but a strong case. tomp Sep 2017 #119

Big knr joeybee12 Sep 2017 #135

Just get over it already!!!!! waltben Sep 2017 #137

Nah, we need to fight & change the MSM, Russian intervention, fake news, RW lies, suppression, etc.. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #139

This is what Trump and Russia both say sharedvalues Sep 2017 #145

Getting "over it" and learning nothing isn't progressive and neither is ignoring facts about what uponit7771 Sep 2017 #151

Yeah. Because pointing out that she ran a good campaign and won more votes than anyone but ehrnst Sep 2017 #163

YEAH!! If there's anything we don't need is to learn from 2016!! ehrnst Sep 2017 #166

Looking back is only a problem for those who can't handle the truth. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #185

How can you prove a qualitative statement? LittleBlue Sep 2017 #162

Perhaps you should consider suing author of the OP. ehrnst Sep 2017 #165

It's really not that serious LittleBlue Sep 2017 #167

I'm not. Just pointing out that your complaint might be better directed elsewhere. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #169

Yet another sharp and insightful piece on the kerfuffle about her writing a book with words ehrnst Sep 2017 #164

Nice! Really enjoyed reading that. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #170