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PatSeg

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55. You're welcome
Sat Sep 9, 2017, 01:35 PM
Sep 2017

I remember Hillary in the early 1990s and I was so impressed with how candid and forthright she was. She didn't act or talk like a politician and it was so refreshing. However, the right and the media raked her over the coals because of it and she became a much more cautious and rigid personality, not as easy to relate to. I understand it now, but sadly, many do not.

Meanwhile, when she was Secretary of State, everyone seemed to love her. As soon as she ran for any kind of office, out came the daggers. Politics is a rough business I know, but it sure did seem like Hillary was treated more harshly than any of her male counterparts. Anyone who thinks (MSM for instance) that sexism wasn't involved, wasn't paying attention.

I recc'd Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #1
Criminal conduct altered the election results. How much of the criminal conduct remains hidden? L. Coyote Sep 2017 #46
L.Coyote on this I am with you more than 100% Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #47
I agree. I think even some polls in key districts may have been hacked. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2017 #87
Up 3 million popular votes says it all. democratisphere Sep 2017 #2
In a democracy, Hillary won. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #3
Yes! The last 2 Republicans Prez had to cheat to become Prez! Interesting. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #5
actually 90-percent Sep 2017 #6
Exactly. Nixon and Reagan both committed treason with Vietnam and Iran respectively brush Sep 2017 #8
That certainly give a good perspective PatSeg Sep 2017 #15
The electoral college True_Blue Sep 2017 #16
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Gerrymandering has nothing to do with the presidential election mythology Sep 2017 #17
Yes, it does. Gerrymandered state districts affect the composition of the state legislatures, pnwmom Sep 2017 #58
Voter suppression laws that affect the General Election are created in the State Houses.(nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #130
Gerrymandering definitely does affect our presidential elections FakeNoose Sep 2017 #138
What? Electoral votes are awarded based on a state's total vote count. Demit Sep 2017 #154
What specifically leads you to allege that? LanternWaste Sep 2017 #180
K&R... revmclaren Sep 2017 #4
Barack Obama ran a great campaign, Hillarty Clinton did not. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2017 #7
She ran a great campaign, as did Obama. n/t ehrnst Sep 2017 #13
Actually, she did, and America chose her to be our president. Hortensis Sep 2017 #35
"America chose her to be our president." - We don't choose our President by popular vote. PoliticAverse Sep 2017 #43
Yes, we do. The electoral college subverts the choice of the people. Hortensis Sep 2017 #44
Who is denying she won the popular vote? The people in denial are the ones that believe... PoliticAverse Sep 2017 #48
Campaigns aren't capable of changing voter suppression in states, and combat Russia ehrnst Sep 2017 #134
She won. And nothing more she could have done would keep the election from being stolen. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #56
A big K&R brush Sep 2017 #9
Yes she did! Thank you for posting this! lunamagica Sep 2017 #10
Media rarely aired her words mcar Sep 2017 #11
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #14
The news media was highly derelict in its duty in 2015-2016 Saviolo Sep 2017 #18
The media failed to cover Hillary's policy speeches lapucelle Sep 2017 #71
For profit media sunk her. sharedvalues Sep 2017 #148
Yep - and yet it's paraded as some sort of "advantage" she had over ehrnst Sep 2017 #160
I wish we lived in a world where the difference between "explanation" and "excuse" was understood. ehrnst Sep 2017 #12
Your explanation about excuses and explanations make sense. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #24
After the election, PatSeg Sep 2017 #19
You sound so sensible! I myself have always been a supporter but like your take. Thanks! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #25
You're welcome PatSeg Sep 2017 #55
About the "limited" or "rigged" debate schedule : ehrnst Sep 2017 #129
Thanks for this, ehrnst! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #133
My complaint at the time PatSeg Sep 2017 #136
I hope the post I shared clarified that the "debates were rigged by DNC/DWS" trope is false. ehrnst Sep 2017 #161
+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Sep 2017 #20
+1000 sheshe2 Sep 2017 #21
If We're Honest, The Presidency Was Stolen From Hillary dlk Sep 2017 #22
That's the absolute truth nini Sep 2017 #29
This! True_Blue Sep 2017 #32
Well, stolen from all of us, really. unblock Sep 2017 #33
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Bush, Powell, Cheney all used private servers as well True_Blue Sep 2017 #64
but ... but ... but ... hers was in a basement theirs were in some other corporation that could be YCHDT Sep 2017 #98
Utter bullshit. First, she won the votes. More than any but Obama in '08. ehrnst Sep 2017 #67
+1,"Brocialists " YCHDT Sep 2017 #99
BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!! We...DO...get to dismiss, bullshit ass'd, out of context half truth and lies... YCHDT Sep 2017 #97
No shit. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #66
+1 YCHDT Sep 2017 #95
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #125
haters gotta hate. they will blame her for everything... shes samnsara Sep 2017 #23
Those people have a hissing fit are proving her points and feelings. nini Sep 2017 #26
Yep, in the meantime many of us are beyond glad to have her speak! We are thrilled! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #49
woulda, coulda, shoulda KPN Sep 2017 #27
Is that what constitutes proof? aikoaiko Sep 2017 #28
Win some, lose some. LOL! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #30
Very slightly different results and they'd be saying she ran a brilliant campaign unblock Sep 2017 #31
What a difference 30k votes in the rust belt makes, huh? Fiendish Thingy Sep 2017 #50
Do you have a link to the offer by Sanders sheshe2 Sep 2017 #171
Here's a few Fiendish Thingy Sep 2017 #174
There are choices on the spectrum between "great" and "poor". n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2017 #60
You know that and I know that but unblock Sep 2017 #61
Palmer Report click bait headline and request for money oberliner Sep 2017 #34
Why and how did she miss all of those disgruntled voters in WI and MI ?? vkkv Sep 2017 #36
The assumptions about the strength of the "blue wall" hurt Clinton. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #82
She won more votes than any but Obama '08. But that disrupts the "crappy campaign" narrative. ehrnst Sep 2017 #127
I'm just asking you to clarify. vkkv Sep 2017 #142
Good article, can't wait to read the book. Parenthetically.... George II Sep 2017 #37
K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #38
No-she didn't brooklynite Sep 2017 #39
She ran a good enough campaign to win those states--decisively--had it not been for StevieM Sep 2017 #77
Making some mistakes does not equal bad campaign. ehrnst Sep 2017 #121
Kick and Rec, Madam45 for2923 Hekate Sep 2017 #40
Running a great campaign would have meant campaigning to win shawn703 Sep 2017 #41
Electoral math, Clinton's reoccurring nightmare. Same in2008. Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #52
You are very much mistaken about PA. lapucelle Sep 2017 #72
I don't remember her campaigning in Missouri and Indiana. StevieM Sep 2017 #81
I don't think Trump had given up on MI & WI dragonfly301 Sep 2017 #131
Interesting article, but it only talks about his campaign stops in the final weeks. StevieM Sep 2017 #140
If you like data you might like this gif from 538 dragonfly301 Sep 2017 #168
Soooooooo, Comey did NOT matter? thx in advance YCHDT Sep 2017 #101
+about a million... NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #42
Thanks NR, that site has been on a roll these days! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #45
Gender Studies scholar Susan Bordo lapucelle Sep 2017 #73
Thanks for the great recommendations, lapucelle! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #74
You can read the first chapter of Bordo's book on Amazon. lapucelle Sep 2017 #75
Nice! Found it in my local library. Put a hold on it. Great to have a chapter to read, thanks! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #85
Fantastic read. Thank you for sharing. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #128
remember that one of the people quoted in this exchange, Cilliza dsc Sep 2017 #54
Great campaigns win. You don't lock up swing states weeks ahead of time. Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #51
More troops in Michigan would not have won the election for her. StevieM Sep 2017 #78
Sorry the math behind field work it's pretty predictable so you're wrong. Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #150
That simply isn't true IMO. StevieM Sep 2017 #155
It isn't about pulling troops Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #157
Oh, the "she should have been so far ahead Comey should not have mattered" ehrnst Sep 2017 #183
She did win. Against so many odds, she got more votes than anyone but Obama in '08 ehrnst Sep 2017 #123
More votes isn't a win unless you're in a democracy. Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #149
Whereas Donald's MISTAKES did not cost him b/c he did not contend with none of what she had to Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #152
Yeah and that was going on the whole time and her campaign knew it. Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #153
Sources please? And why is she the only Democratic candidate that ehrnst Sep 2017 #158
Sources for which non controversial fact? Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #172
I see. You don't have any. ehrnst Sep 2017 #177
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Oh you googled. So show me one that says "Obama's team called and said the same thing" ehrnst Sep 2017 #182
Yes, and some Sanders supporters here are claiming that negative coverage of her ehrnst Sep 2017 #159
What cost the White House was Comey and Voter Suppression. ehrnst Sep 2017 #156
K&R and shared everywhere I can. HDS is going to be nuts this week. nolabear Sep 2017 #53
"the fringe left" contributed to her loss. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #57
K&R Jamaal510 Sep 2017 #62
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I am moving on. Living in present-day. I do hope the party is doing the same. nt joet67 Sep 2017 #65
You can't move forward effectively if you don't learn from the past ehrnst Sep 2017 #124
Actually, we can. We need to support viable candidates and issues. If we didn't joet67 Sep 2017 #173
We "can" move ahead without learning from history? ehrnst Sep 2017 #175
You're making the assumption that Hill flapping her tongue will somehow help us learn. joet67 Sep 2017 #184
INTERESTING COMMENTS. I think Comey committed CRIMINAL ACTS and should be indicted trueblue2007 Sep 2017 #68
In his own way Comey is more dangerous than Trump. (eom) StevieM Sep 2017 #79
K&R betsuni Sep 2017 #69
Nope. She lost. broadcaster90210 Sep 2017 #70
She would have won--decisively--had the FBI not rigged the election. (eom) StevieM Sep 2017 #76
Stevie .... i agree with you 10000000000000000000000000% (percent) trueblue2007 Sep 2017 #80
She was cheated we all agree on that to some degree. YCHDT Sep 2017 #103
Compelling argument. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #122
It kills me that a candidate who got more votes than anyone in history, save Obama, is called "unexc Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #83
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Yeah let's keep minimizing excitement of many of her voters! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #102
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Because we knew it was based on all the crap that was fed through RW lies. Add to that Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #106
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Why did you hold your nose? betsuni Sep 2017 #107
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Welcome to DU Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #111
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Again your concern is noted, but it is misplaced & your facts are wrong. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #115
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You won't be around long enough for anyone to agree with you. betsuni Sep 2017 #114
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I'll miss you, WrightStuff, and your large shot across my bow. betsuni Sep 2017 #118
I think, like the flu, he will be back after mutating his username. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #176
The campaign I witnessed wasn't great. hay rick Sep 2017 #84
She was a great candidate and should have won sharedvalues Sep 2017 #146
Much of what you say is true, but she didn't run a "Great" campaign and SHE says so by admitting LBM20 Sep 2017 #86
Exactly. The media are to blame. sharedvalues Sep 2017 #88
And all this time I've been repeatedly told PDittie Sep 2017 #94
No other candidate in history had2go through a hostile MSM,Wikileaks, Russian leaks and FBI leaks! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #113
It's all the above. Media had possibly biggest effect sharedvalues Sep 2017 #120
plus the goodie but oldie: voter suppression Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #126
Voter suppression: IDs, cross-check sharedvalues Sep 2017 #143
What about Facebook ads? PDittie Sep 2017 #141
Facebook dark ads from Trump and Russia sharedvalues Sep 2017 #144
Proud of Her! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #89
Great campaigns are campaigns that win. white_wolf Sep 2017 #90
No other candidate in history had2go through a hostile MSM,Wikileaks, Russian leaks and FBI leaks! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #100
This is what Trump and Russia both say sharedvalues Sep 2017 #147
This is the simple truth melman Sep 2017 #179
"I'm goint to put a lot of coal miners out of work" doesn't equal a great campaign MrPurple Sep 2017 #91
No other candidate in history had2go through a hostile MSM,Wikileaks, Russian leaks and FBI leaks! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #104
Agreed, but giving the soundbite, "I'm going to put a lot of miners out of work" is a bad candidate MrPurple Sep 2017 #178
"and shes placing the bulk of the blame for her loss on herself." MadDAsHell Sep 2017 #92
K + R Raastan Sep 2017 #93
why prove it janterry Sep 2017 #110
not exactly proof, but a strong case. tomp Sep 2017 #119
Big knr joeybee12 Sep 2017 #135
Just get over it already!!!!! waltben Sep 2017 #137
Nah, we need to fight & change the MSM, Russian intervention, fake news, RW lies, suppression, etc.. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #139
This is what Trump and Russia both say sharedvalues Sep 2017 #145
Getting "over it" and learning nothing isn't progressive and neither is ignoring facts about what uponit7771 Sep 2017 #151
Yeah. Because pointing out that she ran a good campaign and won more votes than anyone but ehrnst Sep 2017 #163
YEAH!! If there's anything we don't need is to learn from 2016!! ehrnst Sep 2017 #166
Looking back is only a problem for those who can't handle the truth. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #185
How can you prove a qualitative statement? LittleBlue Sep 2017 #162
Perhaps you should consider suing author of the OP. ehrnst Sep 2017 #165
It's really not that serious LittleBlue Sep 2017 #167
I'm not. Just pointing out that your complaint might be better directed elsewhere. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #169
Yet another sharp and insightful piece on the kerfuffle about her writing a book with words ehrnst Sep 2017 #164
Nice! Really enjoyed reading that. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #170
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