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In reply to the discussion: "IT'S NOT ABOUT BERNIE, IT'S ABOUT US!" [View all]LiberalLovinLug
(14,380 posts)You can't see that its more you that makes it all about Bernie?
That you seem to have convinced yourself that whatever Bernie does is disingenuous, despite all evidence of a man dedicating most of his life to furthering progressive issues, and so anything he tries to advance should be dismissed as some kind of big ego trip. Do you know how ludicrous that sounds?
I'm just glad that most Democrats in the Senate are more sensible and are happy to work with Sanders and consider him an important ally, unlike yourself and others in here. I think many of those would be surprised upon reading all the blind hatred towards the man on a Democratic friendly website.
"using the issue to divide the party and advance one man's career"
Sanders is nearing the end of his career as it is. What kind of cynical bitterness does it take to accuse him of doing everything he is doing only to advance his career? That is one loooooooooong game he has been playing. Again ludicrous.
"If people ever decide they do care about universal healthcare, they will discuss it as an issue rather than using it to justify factional division. Someone will also write legislation capable of becoming law."
So we wait until this undefined large group of "people" stop what they are doing and one day decide that hmmmmm you know, we really DO care about universal health care. And THEN we can discuss it. Basically the lazy attitude that has kept America from affordable universal health care throughout their history. The iron is hot. After the failed GOP repeal of the ACA. Why not start to "discuss" now? What better time?
Another point:
Like it or not, Bernie is one of, if not the, most popular politicians in the country. So even if you detest the man, although I can't see how anyone could, why not ride the Bernie train for the time being? Instead of using his Independent status as a beacon to attack, why not shift your thinking into seeing it as a unique weapon that only the Democrats have. That when he promotes Democratic supported bills, they will get more traction with a population tired of the political elite of both parties, BECAUSE he is registered as an Independent. EVEN THOUGH HE IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES A DEMOCRAT?
You don't have to be a 'follower' or a 'supporter' of Bernie to understand his importance as a national and respected symbol on this issue. Due to his hard pugnacious work in the last decades, and also the exposure he got running in the primaries. OF COURSE he will get exposure and the spotlight! That helps put the spotlight on the issue! You could accuse ANY politician of making speeches and running for office simply to "advance their career" or sell books, or be famous, without any real principles behind it. Hillary, Obama, Bill....? Maybe MLK only wanted the fame as well? Mahatma Gandhi? You know sometimes its the actual work, words, and ideas that come out of the person that creates the buzz and popularity around an historical figure. That their fame and stature is not under their own control.
"If it weren't about Bernie, we would hear about the issue rather than Bernie"
Now THIS is absolutely true. In the sense that for yourself and a few others still dwelling in the primary front lines, ie...If Bernie was not front and center and leading the charge on this issue, we would actually allow ourselves to hear about the issue rather than getting stuck on only seeing that $#@# Bernie!