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MuseRider

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29. Again I want to thank you.
Tue Sep 19, 2017, 07:48 AM
Sep 2017

There is no way I will ever be able to express myself that well.

I also believe that those, like Bernie, can say a lot of things that he could not say if he was a Democrat without the risk of the party coming down on him. He wants change to begin now. The slowness of an organization or the need to moderate to incremental change to include all members is too slow when we are where we are now. As an Independent he can go wherever he wants to go politically to push the ideas that need to be considered to move us forward sooner rather than later without tarring a party with something they are uncomfortable with. I say these things giving him the benefit of the doubt that he is trying to do these things with the best intentions not the worst. Others certainly feel distrustful of him. I can understand that given all that was said about him during the primaries and since the election.

I like him where he is for those reasons above. As to becoming a Democrat to run I think there were many reasons to do so. For those of us who feel he was doing this for good reasons we see that he did not want to be a spoiler. He said so several times. If he had run as an I he would have then been able to run against the republican candidate directly and whoever won the nomination from the Democratic party. I don't think that would have been any more popular, perhaps worse and he surely then would have been blamed for the loss. He had the right to do that, I am not sure he knew the money would come to him like it did. I don't think he would have even then. I have no reason to doubt his good intentions but as I said, others certainly do distrust him.

As for criticising the party I guess it depends on how you feel about criticism. I, as a performer, needed all of it I could get, even as someone who does not perform as a major player. It made me better even if it made me mad and sometimes that criticism that made me mad was the best of all. It takes a while to see it but it is always important. If the Democratic party had been performing better than it has I would feel a little more iffy about the need for him to speak out. If there is a Democrat who looks at the performance of the party and thinks we should not loudly and publically say, oops and correct some things then I don't get it. Honestly we have been pounded and the R's have managed to convince people that they will help them while creating much distress for them in their lives and they are still voting for them. With all that power it is difficult at best for the Dems to even discuss the fraud in our system without sounding like the whiners the Republicans call us.

We need people like Bernie outside the system to allow the system to work. I wish I had a way into his mind, I do not but running as a Democrat against the party favorite is no reason to dismiss him. Criticizing the party at this point is iffy I guess but I see it as necessary and as an "outsider" he has the freedom to do it. I believe he has the responsibility to do it, I believe we all do. Just voting D is not going to change our minority status all over the country.

Sorry Tom, just early thinking out loud. Being someone who thinks Bernie is doing the right things I just felt the need to say something I guess. I don't understand the anger. Thank you again for a very well thought out post. I always look forward to reading when I see your name.

I am a Democrat [View all] Tom Rinaldo Sep 2017 OP
Thank you! TDale313 Sep 2017 #1
When they share? So there are circumstances where you will vote GOP or independent? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #6
Sure there are jl_theprofessor Sep 2017 #16
The open question is whether Person X is bringing about important and desirable social changes, or Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #2
Thank you. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #3
This touches on a section of Secretary Clinton's book I found particularly interesting. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2017 #4
Bernie saw no alternative to hitching on to the Democratic collective LuvLoogie Sep 2017 #5
That progress was built on the blook sweat and tears of the likes of Norman Thomas also. Tom Rinaldo Sep 2017 #7
My response not completed, edited to add more after LuvLoogie Sep 2017 #9
Well said and spot on! Nt Ninga Sep 2017 #10
I wouldn't know where to start.. humm pangaia Sep 2017 #15
it's blisteringly truthful though... JHan Sep 2017 #21
Bernie continues to bash AND RandomAccess Sep 2017 #19
THANK YOU, Tom, elleng Sep 2017 #8
THANK YOU. crim son Sep 2017 #11
Ive stepped away from the shitshow on DU over this. Focusing my attn locally right now riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #12
Bravo! LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #13
K&R. n/t ms liberty Sep 2017 #14
Thank you democrank Sep 2017 #17
The Democratic Party is the only way to enact progressive change ...and criticizing them which Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #18
That simply is not true Tom Rinaldo Sep 2017 #25
+ 1000 & thank you RandomAccess Sep 2017 #20
Unfortunately when the criticism seems mostly negative & delisen Sep 2017 #30
Well RandomAccess Sep 2017 #31
As I said, this may vary around the country regarding delisen Sep 2017 #32
"If one side believes that there is no difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican... Tom Rinaldo Sep 2017 #33
I also consider it a force for good RandomAccess Sep 2017 #36
A B S O L U T E L Y! Lyricalinklines Sep 2017 #22
Great post! Martin Eden Sep 2017 #23
We see Bernie very differently. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #24
That is probably true, but the point I am trying to make is not tied soley to that Tom Rinaldo Sep 2017 #26
It'd more true if he was not telling us plus reminding us. Believe me, I have no interest in him. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #27
I appreciate your thought-out post. moriah Sep 2017 #28
Again I want to thank you. MuseRider Sep 2017 #29
Thank you. Some most excellent thinking out loud. Certainly no apology called for. Tom Rinaldo Sep 2017 #38
That was an excellent thread too. MuseRider Sep 2017 #39
Bravo!! Duppers Sep 2017 #34
It's a big tent. Orsino Sep 2017 #35
thank you. Joe941 Sep 2017 #37
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