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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
43. Not wish away other governments.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 11:41 PM
Sep 2017

But at least stop doing things we never ever needed to do-like arming the House of Saud and making it impossible for anything to ever change in that country.

By not opposing movements for social or economic change, I meant breaking our leaders traditional habit, in places like Latin America, Africa, and Asia, of using whatever means we could to prevent the impoverished majority from overthrowing the tyrants who held them down, or in the worst situations, imposing and preserving tyrants on various countries, as we did in Chile(where we destabilized and orchestrated the overthrow of Allende), the Congo(when we brought down Lumumba and put that fascist Mobutu in in his place)Nicaragua(where we kept Somoza in power for decades against the will of his own people and then organized a bandit army to put a right-wing government into power as soon as the people liberated themselves in 1979)in Guatemala(where in 1954 we turned a democratic country into what is still effectively a white supremacist military dictatorship), South Africa(where we armed the apartheid regime for decades and where our diplomats tipped off the regime to Nelson Mandela's whereabouts and thus caused his decades-long prison sentence), to name but a few examples.

We need to renounce all of that, admit that none of it should have happened, and agree never to let it happen again.

3 guys walk into a bar Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #1
Where do you get that from this quote? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #4
Sense of humor much? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #5
You needn't ask. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #8
If the clip actually applied, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #10
It sounded like you were comparing the speech to Pacino's courtroom speech in that movie Ken Burch Sep 2017 #19
Along those lines, if there are three people on an elevator and one farts......... George II Sep 2017 #16
That's why I only fart in crowded elevators. Nt Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #25
He invented foreign policy years ago. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #2
Only he can fix everything! FSogol Sep 2017 #3
This is a thread about the idea. It doesn't matter what you feel about the person who said it. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #6
can't get partnership with people who have no interest beachbum bob Sep 2017 #7
You mean Russia doesn't want to held hands and replace their oil w solar? bettyellen Sep 2017 #35
Instead of endless war, which profits the war industries, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #9
Sounds like populist demogogery taken to new global dimensions... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #11
It's populist demagogery to say we should globally ally with the poor? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #20
Sounds like populism when you promise to reach out to the world's poor... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #22
You're talking nonsense. PETRUS Sep 2017 #31
I'm support "fair trade"-that is trade deals that guarantee workers in different countries Ken Burch Sep 2017 #50
It's a naive and unrealistic approach. Or a very clumsy phrase... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #12
. George II Sep 2017 #17
### NurseJackie Sep 2017 #24
OK...here are some ways you can create such a partnership: Ken Burch Sep 2017 #21
That's not a partnership. That's PR or goodwill, it's an apology-tour, but it's not a partnership. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #23
The quote was a broadstrokes statement. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #42
I gotta laugh at the idea of someone running campaigning on that. And won't oppose bettyellen Sep 2017 #30
Not wish away other governments. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #43
It's bizarre that none of this has to do with doing things today. Why is their no policy for now? bettyellen Sep 2017 #55
Because the long-term also matters. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #58
I know an Iranian American woman who wants to do business with IRan and other countries JI7 Sep 2017 #48
It's a typical political slogan Warpy Sep 2017 #29
It was never meant to be an end in itself. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #44
Obviously, after "drain the swamp" and "make America great again" we need to question Warpy Sep 2017 #49
OK. But I don't know why you think I disagree with any of that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #52
Are you pretending Dems have no policy positions ? Because that's what this "solely on Trump" bettyellen Sep 2017 #56
No, I'm not pretending that(and I AM a Democrat, so please don't imply I'm an outsider) Ken Burch Sep 2017 #57
Is this supposed to be something we should respond to? NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #13
:) sheshe2 Sep 2017 #14
. George II Sep 2017 #18
Ah, those were the days! NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #38
The whole thing is so unrealistic. It doesn't represent the real world. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #27
Exactly, actually it's sounding like a trade agreement. R B Garr Sep 2017 #39
The idea of actually listening to and working with the global majority terrifies you, I think. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #51
LOL! Cloudy with a chance of meatballs... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #61
This is the difference with us. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #62
Well... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #64
I don't need to scroll up. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #66
Sigh... very disappointing. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #67
The term "Nasty" has no relation to gender in my use of it. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #68
That's wrong again. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #69
It's simply a line in a speech. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #45
We use that language and sentiment anytime we want to screw over another government. rogue emissary Sep 2017 #15
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #26
trump is a foreign agent chaking53 Sep 2017 #28
It is not possible. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #32
The issue I have with it... PoorMonger Sep 2017 #33
I wasn't calling for trusting the current government. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #46
But it's still a part of reality PoorMonger Sep 2017 #53
OK. A cynic can co-opt any positive concept...we all KNOW that...what's your point here? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #54
I'm saying that PoorMonger Sep 2017 #59
I think it's actually meaningless fluff, so none of the above. bettyellen Sep 2017 #34
It *is* silly-fluff but it's fun to watch people try to make it MORE important than it actually is NurseJackie Sep 2017 #60
pap delisen Sep 2017 #36
Is This Rhetorical? Me. Sep 2017 #37
DIY trade deals/diplomacy? betsuni Sep 2017 #40
like the US arming Syrian Rebels fighting Assad and ISIS ? JI7 Sep 2017 #41
No. There aren't any rebels in Syria fighting for anything positive Ken Burch Sep 2017 #47
I can't argue with the statement. Can't understand it, either. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2017 #63
Perhaps it is time for the United States to seek partnerships with the people of Venezuela... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #65
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