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The Velveteen Ocelot

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15. Except for the fact that he never shed his antiquated attitudes,

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 12:57 PM

Sep 2017

and neither did a lot of other men who still indulge in the Playboy fantasy of having unfettered access to beautiful, compliant women to have unlimited sex with. See also Donald "Pussy Grabber" Trump.

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JOY doing segment on Hefner and civil rights...and YES he was an activist [View all] jodymarie aimee Sep 2017 OP

He was a serious civil rights activist malaise Sep 2017 #1

Yes, and reality is complex, even before considering changing societal attitudes. Hortensis Sep 2017 #33

Life is black and white for some malaise Sep 2017 #37

right, so maybe he did some bad along with the good? why only allow talk of one? nt TheFrenchRazor Sep 2017 #44

There is that Lotusflower70 Sep 2017 #55

No he wasn't ...Hef was a God damned woman hating bigot... Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #75

That's a great observation. And not just... Whiskeytide Oct 2017 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Sep 2017 #2

know him personally then? jodymarie aimee Sep 2017 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Sep 2017 #6

And admitting to it also. People aren't paper cutouts, and even if they were Hortensis Sep 2017 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Sep 2017 #13

You should have meant expensive, but you'd have still been wrong. Hortensis Sep 2017 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Sep 2017 #19

Oh, sorry. His doings were "pimpings" of all the OTHER employees he put in scanty Hortensis Sep 2017 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Sep 2017 #28

He made a fortune from exploiting women's bodies True_Blue Sep 2017 #31

His civil rights efforts, while admirable, did not seem to extend The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #3

elaborate jodymarie aimee Sep 2017 #5

How about "These chicks are our natural enemy" The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #7

We are Democrats jodymarie aimee Sep 2017 #8

So everybody who calls himself a Democrat The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #9

Thank you! 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2017 #12

Usually agree with you, TVO, but Hefner was a product of his times, just as, Hortensis Sep 2017 #14

Except for the fact that he never shed his antiquated attitudes, The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #15

I refuse the deflection: we're talking about YOUR statement to another here. Hortensis Sep 2017 #18

Did you mean to respond to post 8? That was a real deflection. SharonClark Oct 2017 #68

Only if they want to be.... Jim Beard Sep 2017 #22

Are you saying that men should not fantasize about having sex with beautiful women? oberliner Sep 2017 #23

This nonsense reply is beneath you. You know that's not what the poster is saying, Squinch Sep 2017 #27

I think it's a legitimate debate oberliner Sep 2017 #46

Uh huh. Squinch Sep 2017 #50

Fair enough oberliner Sep 2017 #53

How about you go back to post 15 and read it like Velveteen Ocelot might Squinch Sep 2017 #62

OK oberliner Sep 2017 #65

Still not letting go of your bogus side issue. I'm done. Squinch Sep 2017 #66

I'm saying wryter2000 Sep 2017 #35

The fantasy is separate from reality, though oberliner Sep 2017 #45

Another inaccurate inference to have something... anything to argue against. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #77

This isn't fantasy...these women were drugged, some raped ...Cosby went to the mansion. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #83

+1000 True_Blue Sep 2017 #32

+1 leftstreet Sep 2017 #34

wow. so "our" pigs are ok? sorry, i'm a dem; not a brain-dead cult member. speak for yourself. nt TheFrenchRazor Sep 2017 #43

LOL! On the deflection scale of 1 to 10, you get a 2 for effort. SharonClark Oct 2017 #70

You're certainly moving your initial goalposts wider and wider as the conversation grows. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #76

For many here that doesn't matter. Sad but true. Squinch Sep 2017 #30

Fuck him - I'm glad he's dead but the damage he did to women will live on. 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2017 #11

Making women a commodity is not a progressive value. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #17

jodymarie aimee, I totally agree. I am 70 and remember the time period very well. Jim Beard Sep 2017 #20

when they get like this, they sound like Republicans jodymarie aimee Sep 2017 #24

I went back to college and found this attitude prevelant in many, more so than main street America. Jim Beard Sep 2017 #36

"Events that occurred in their personal lives" were real. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #38

a lot of people are determined not to see anything wrong with the type of treatment you mentioned. TheFrenchRazor Sep 2017 #41

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #47

The fact that you call women sluts DLevine Sep 2017 #48

+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #54

most people are not all good or all bad; it is you who sounds like a repub by insisting that everyt TheFrenchRazor Sep 2017 #42

This isn't about prudery... Adrahil Oct 2017 #71

No, they don"t sound like Republicans. They sound like people who are aware of how women are SharonClark Oct 2017 #72

Hefner was a very complicated man whose choices no_hypocrisy Sep 2017 #25

. Squinch Sep 2017 #26

He held some very progressive positions on a number of issues. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #29

What is revealing is some think the way Heffner treated women was just fine...he was a pig. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #59

I can appreciate his support for many progressive causes even as I deplore his misogyny. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #60

well, Hitler did bring Germany the Volkswagen delisen Sep 2017 #64

I do not...his misogyny over shadows any good he did. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #74

it really is not either/or. he did some good and he did some bad. it is a false choice to suggest TheFrenchRazor Sep 2017 #39

Very few people are. Which is why the calls of him being an ultimate evil Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #49

"Ultimate evil" is a bit extreme. I'll save that for Donald Trump. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #51

Would you call him a progressive if he was as much of a racist as he was a misogynist? pnwmom Sep 2017 #63

Great question. SharonClark Oct 2017 #67

i never called him a progressive; i think you misunderstand. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #73

Yes, he was, indeed, an activist liberalhistorian Sep 2017 #40

Oh, please. nt Laffy Kat Sep 2017 #52

Treating half the human race as "bunnies" is not progressive. Coventina Sep 2017 #56

Playboy without t/a Watchfoxheadexplodes Sep 2017 #57

Hefner? He was a pig where women were concerned... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #58

He was a pimp. He was that kind of civil rights "activist." pnwmom Sep 2017 #61

AND, as she discussed.... Adrahil Oct 2017 #69

No. He helped create this objectification culture we have today. HopeAgain Oct 2017 #78

He was an exploitative piece of shit alarimer Oct 2017 #79

Plenty of folks pretended to be liberal during the 60's...it was fashionable. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #80

He was not a "true progressive" obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #81