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Bradical79

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57. Maybe not that specific scenario

Tue Oct 3, 2017, 12:03 PM

Oct 2017

But hypothetically, yes, some type of brain damage could make someone not responsible for their actions. Lack of ethical concern alone wouldn't do it for me. Millions of people in the world lack empathy and a feeling of ethical concern, but choose not to murder others.

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Could science convince you that the shooter was not ethically responsible for his actions? [View all] Baconator Oct 2017 OP

I have heard of certain sarisataka Oct 2017 #1

From the article that spurred the thought... Baconator Oct 2017 #3

In Charles Whitman's suicide note, he begged them to autopsy his brain Siwsan Oct 2017 #10

I haven't read much sarisataka Oct 2017 #15

I believe that they need to ban civilian ownership of military grade/automatic firearms Siwsan Oct 2017 #18

I've Been Thinking About Whitman RobinA Oct 2017 #53

Yet why is it white men who do this? SharonAnn Oct 2017 #13

I wish I had an answer sarisataka Oct 2017 #22

Maybe Culturally RobinA Oct 2017 #56

My friends wife started partying hard and neglecting her kids, left them all for another man.... bettyellen Oct 2017 #65

Diagnosing and TREATING dangerous conditions might be a good start at protection... Moostache Oct 2017 #79

The mental heath angle is tricky for many reasons- treatment is underfunded, and stigmatized and bettyellen Oct 2017 #82

I agree that the situation is bleak and treatment options limited... Moostache Oct 2017 #83

You know, it's got me thinking we treat the mentally illl like trash so we won't have any empathy or bettyellen Oct 2017 #84

Because when black men start acting crazy they get locked up or shot. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #76

This should be considered if people of color jrthin Oct 2017 #2

? Baconator Oct 2017 #4

The study, if only done on white people, might cleanse white people of their "sins," Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #25

There is already a body of knowledge on the subject... Baconator Oct 2017 #27

Having watched someone die of brain cancer, I could accept it hack89 Oct 2017 #5

Sounds similar to the NFL concussion problems - i.e. Mike Webster at al n/m bagelsforbreakfast Oct 2017 #21

The science behind CTE and concussions moda253 Oct 2017 #48

Whatever happened inside the shooter's head... Girard442 Oct 2017 #6

Possibly, but would have to see the tumor. sinkingfeeling Oct 2017 #7

Are you a neurologist? Baconator Oct 2017 #8

At this point, what would it matter? customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #9

When you say sniper perches... Baconator Oct 2017 #11

No customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #14

It's a silly idea... Baconator Oct 2017 #23

Airports used to be pretty open back in the early 1960's customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #31

This is absurd. moda253 Oct 2017 #50

Start with the easiest things customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #52

Exactly. Wednesdays Oct 2017 #80

... and hills Baconator Oct 2017 #89

what do we do about hills and valleys? fescuerescue Oct 2017 #12

We will always have them customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #16

I don't think I want to be supervised in a hotel room fescuerescue Oct 2017 #17

Certainly not customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #20

Let's become a police state in the name of "freedom". Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #30

We do that at the airport customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #33

We can expand it from the airport to everywhere. Yaaaaaay!!!! Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #35

Or, we can just hope it never happens again customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #38

Or, we can pretend your screening would have prevented the shooting. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #45

If this loser customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #47

There's a hell of alot more people going into tall buildings everyday Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #46

And for people who have ordinary, everyday business in those tall buildings customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #49

This may be the dumbest sub-thread I have ever read snooper2 Oct 2017 #59

If the only solution seen customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #60

You ever see that South Park where Craig's mom falls in the toilet... Baconator Oct 2017 #68

Gotta agree. cwydro Oct 2017 #77

Or we can create false dichotomies. Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #66

I'm not willing to give up that kind of freedom. Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #34

In the same vein customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #42

Sometimes it's ok to admit that your idea wasn't very good moda253 Oct 2017 #51

Ah, but I do think its a good one customerserviceguy Oct 2017 #55

Did I say I was in favor of the current TSA system? Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #64

Nope. Iggo Oct 2017 #19

Why not? Baconator Oct 2017 #24

I meant this thread. Iggo Oct 2017 #36

K... Baconator Oct 2017 #43

No. Hugin Oct 2017 #26

Nope don't buy that "I'm sick" bullshit Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #28

If his brain was physically incapable of making that distinction... Baconator Oct 2017 #29

Simple "planning" kills your argument Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #32

The scenario I'm describing... Baconator Oct 2017 #37

Not caring is a given Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #41

+1 BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #63

Yes. Orsino Oct 2017 #39

Yes, but get the red out Oct 2017 #40

Yes and no but the larger issue is one of stigmatizing mental illness tymorial Oct 2017 #44

I had school friends who lost family to Charles Whitman in 1966. Paladin Oct 2017 #54

Maybe not that specific scenario Bradical79 Oct 2017 #57

Yes, but I'm skeptical. Eugene Oct 2017 #58

Yes, perhaps. n/t LuckyCharms Oct 2017 #61

Yes, absolutely. Not that the mass-shooting of people for any reason when not done for a political JCanete Oct 2017 #62

I cannot help but wonder cwydro Oct 2017 #67

"Yeah so if a white guy did it, it has to be because of a disease." Baconator Oct 2017 #69

I did read your post. cwydro Oct 2017 #71

I changed it to bold for you... Baconator Oct 2017 #78

It Behooves Us RobinA Oct 2017 #70

I agree with that. cwydro Oct 2017 #75

If you can't be bothered to read what people write... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #72

Lol. cwydro Oct 2017 #74

Sure, but the scientific case would have to be 100% airtight Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #73

If science can prove it, then sure, I'll be convinced. reflection Oct 2017 #81

Maybe if his geneology showed he was genetically 49% minority ... JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #85

No loyalsister Oct 2017 #86

That's a really interesting question canetoad Oct 2017 #87

There's a similar case that prompted this question... Baconator Oct 2017 #88