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Hoyt

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7. I like idea of tax, more importantly we need to get rid of law that protects gun profiteers.

Fri Oct 6, 2017, 09:35 AM

Oct 2017

I usually consider Ron Insana a right wing, Wall Street shill, but here is a quote from an article he wrote yesterday.

The time for polite debate on gun control is over --

"Gun-makers, as tobacco companies have been, should be held accountable, and legally liable, for the mass casualties that their products are responsible for, with severe penalties, class action lawsuits and other disincentives awaiting them at every turn."

"The NRA, touting Second Amendment rights, not only through TV ads but also through enormous contributions to congressional and presidential campaigns alike, has prevented even the most sensible reforms from passing as laws, as the New York Times has outlined."

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/05/the-time-for-polite-debate-on-gun-control-is-over.html

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What if Gun Owners Paid a Tax to Help Defray the High Costs of Gun Violence? [View all] dlk Oct 2017 OP

Cars are also a weapon greymattermom Oct 2017 #1

and .... Lurker Deluxe Oct 2017 #3

That's called health insurance elehhhhna Oct 2017 #55

Please, cars are not a weapon. Not anymore of a weapon than a chainsaw, baseball bat, or a rock. MindPilot Oct 2017 #4

All those can be weaponized. Hangingon Oct 2017 #18

A car bomb is different from a car used as a weapon Orrex Oct 2017 #20

That is splitting hairs. Hangingon Oct 2017 #21

"Accurately Comparing Death Rates from Motor Vehicle and Firearm Use" Orrex Oct 2017 #22

Using your criteria, my concealed carry gun isn't a weapon unless I kill someone. Hangingon Oct 2017 #23

Your contention is that it is defensive Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #29

A gun is designed to shoot. Hangingon Oct 2017 #33

That is disingenuous Orrex Oct 2017 #36

I disagree. But we veered of on intent. Hangingon Oct 2017 #38

Again, guns serve as self-defense only because they're intended to kill Orrex Oct 2017 #40

And in response to every mass shooting, thinking people attempt to rehash the root cause. Hangingon Oct 2017 #43

No, that is yet another NRA talking point. Orrex Oct 2017 #46

Why can't people just use underwear for self defense? Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #52

Because it would result in a brief skirmish? Orrex Oct 2017 #62

Don't let him box you into a tight corner. FSogol Oct 2017 #77

All NRA propaganda - you ought to be ashamed. bettyellen Oct 2017 #51

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #57

What are guns designed for, Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #80

That's not at all true Orrex Oct 2017 #34

"Accurately Comparing Death Rates from Motor Vehicle and Firearm Use" Orrex Oct 2017 #19

The metrics here are absurd metalbot Oct 2017 #42

Yes, gun advocates always say that Orrex Oct 2017 #45

I don't think we're disputing that guns are the instrument of murder more than cars by a huge margin metalbot Oct 2017 #71

Well, if your dispute is with the title of the article, that's on the article's author Orrex Oct 2017 #73

Indeed. I am totally in board with this. tymorial Oct 2017 #59

shoul be insurance on individual guns as well as amunition and the money goes into a beachbum bob Oct 2017 #2

how do you insure ammo? NT Adrahil Oct 2017 #8

a dollar a per 50 rounds goes into insurance pool.... beachbum bob Oct 2017 #26

Ah, so not really insurance.... Adrahil Oct 2017 #35

Government run program like flood insurance? hack89 Oct 2017 #11

There is a 10% excise tax that goes to the states for wildlife and wildlife habitat conservation inwiththenew Oct 2017 #5

My thought as well TexasProgresive Oct 2017 #15

I think a heavy tax on ammunition would be easier to put into effect. MindPilot Oct 2017 #6

Defacto bans are unconstitutional. hack89 Oct 2017 #10

Well, sort of. On paper? Sure. In reality? Well... Orrex Oct 2017 #41

The $200 stamp tax was a defacto ban Kaleva Oct 2017 #44

Historically, ammunition is considered "arms" Adrahil Oct 2017 #12

I practice about 3 times a week using dummy rounds. Kaleva Oct 2017 #47

devils advocate Spartikis Oct 2017 #16

I like idea of tax, more importantly we need to get rid of law that protects gun profiteers. Hoyt Oct 2017 #7

We do pay a tax. Just redirect it to healthcare. nt hack89 Oct 2017 #9

YES. E.g. metal detectors at schools sharedvalues Oct 2017 #13

states Spartikis Oct 2017 #17

Funny I have never seen a line for cigarettes. Where is this? Kingofalldems Oct 2017 #69

Tax the hell out of ammunition, TrishaJ Oct 2017 #14

Making sure only the rich have guns.... nm MichMan Oct 2017 #24

first box of ammo, no tax so the "poor" can defend themselves! Sunlei Oct 2017 #28

Most states do not have gun registration. Man_Bear_Pig Oct 2017 #25

ammo should have a federal tax of $1 a round to pay for NON-profit healthcare system for Americans. Sunlei Oct 2017 #27

What is a "standard" box of ammo? How would the seller know the "standard" box has already... Marengo Oct 2017 #56

100 rounds tax free. because you deduct your tax paid on your yearly IRS report. Sunlei Oct 2017 #75

Tax the hell out of them so poor people can't own guns Alea Oct 2017 #30

Tax the hell out of them so the poor/uninsured or underinsured Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #49

Maybe those actually committing the violence, jmg257 Oct 2017 #31

There should be liability if YOUR GUN is used to kill or injure Crunchy Frog Oct 2017 #50

It's probably about 5 - 6% of the population at most. haele Oct 2017 #32

actually over 80 million Americans own guns discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #53

Step 1: Recognize the NRA as a terrorist organization Orrex Oct 2017 #37

Posts like this are why you'll a tough time getting restrictions on bump stocks through... Baconator Oct 2017 #60

Well, fuck them. Orrex Oct 2017 #63

I suppose it's a question of priorities... Baconator Oct 2017 #64

Your legal speculations are unpersuasive, and the NRA thanks you for your support Orrex Oct 2017 #68

Are you REALLY sure you want to open that door? Jake Stern Oct 2017 #74

Marshmallows are a weapon. LexVegas Oct 2017 #39

This is one of the few instances when a conservative demographic wants everyone else to pay for thei LanternWaste Oct 2017 #48

Are you suggesting that insurance should cover illegal acts? Baconator Oct 2017 #61

That would be a really interesting approach Not Ruth Oct 2017 #65

Dead is dead and taxing guns won't bring people back to life. Vinca Oct 2017 #54

Confiscate all assets of the NRA and gun manufacturers samir.g Oct 2017 #58

... and the 5th. Baconator Oct 2017 #66

Also confiscate all assets of gun owners... ileus Oct 2017 #72

What political system are you thinking of where this might happen? Not Ruth Oct 2017 #78

Yeah because if there's one thing gun owners love, it is paying taxes! Initech Oct 2017 #67

Yes, and liability insurance alarimer Oct 2017 #70

Or the weapons manufacturers themselves. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #76

Insurance. NT Ilsa Oct 2017 #79