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Always Right

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78. Yes, but not likely in the way you want

Wed Oct 11, 2017, 12:25 PM

Oct 2017

Any potential buyer would likely acknowledge there is liability and set up a corporation or limited liability company as the manufacturer.

That way they can pocket all the money while accepting none of the risks.

That is how all risky businesses do it.

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Las Vegas Shooting Victims Sue Bump Stock Makers [View all] HAB911 Oct 2017 OP

Yes! This is one way to get some gun control. HopeAgain Oct 2017 #1

I agree and as well...but.... sdfernando Oct 2017 #4

The reason manufacturers are protected by law is precisely because Always Right Oct 2017 #59

This is lot more like cigarettes than drunk drivers HopeAgain Oct 2017 #74

I'm not sure that is a fair comparison. Always Right Oct 2017 #84

Good! lkinwi Oct 2017 #2

Great. Now remove the law that prohibits victims from suing gun manufacturers and profiteers. Hoyt Oct 2017 #3

Modify how? Always Right Oct 2017 #5

It would be quite simple really, modify the trigger guard area where something like that doesn't Hoyt Oct 2017 #6

Trigger guards don't move Always Right Oct 2017 #24

I bet you'd like to see the suit. You probably have some bump stocks, maybe profit from them. Hoyt Oct 2017 #7

I'm just here for the facts, not to debate. Always Right Oct 2017 #12

You've only made 10 and came in through the Gungeon. That tells me a lot about you. Hoyt Oct 2017 #13

Everyone started at post 1 Always Right Oct 2017 #17

The genetic fallacy is a favorite 'go to' for those that have nothing else to counter with... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2017 #88

On ANY talk board fescuerescue Oct 2017 #146

"what post number...t before I'm worthy of not being insulted?" Orrex Oct 2017 #92

those posters tend to have a bad signal-to-noise ratio Reiyuki Oct 2017 #111

Not sure if you're insulting me or not... Orrex Oct 2017 #114

Not saying you in particular, I mean in general on any forum. Nt Reiyuki Oct 2017 #118

Hmm... Now I'm *DEFINITELY* not sure... Orrex Oct 2017 #122

Almost to 50 Always Right Oct 2017 #117

This one goes to eleven. Orrex Oct 2017 #121

Hoyt, stop it. Adrahil Oct 2017 #94

What "technical information" have I provided that is not true? Yes, I do get ticked with gunners Hoyt Oct 2017 #95

Example from earlier in this discussion Always Right Oct 2017 #102

First, BS. Second that is what ads say. Third, I was not Hoyt Oct 2017 #109

Correcting a mistake isn't an apology Always Right Oct 2017 #110

Do any of these ads give the target (buyers) the idea the rifles are military spec? Hoyt Oct 2017 #124

Yes and no Always Right Oct 2017 #139

"Yes and no." LMAO. I guess the one that comes right out and says this gun "is destined Hoyt Oct 2017 #142

The ads are puffery Always Right Oct 2017 #149

The idea that it somehow "easy" for gunmakers to make changes preventing such devices. Adrahil Oct 2017 #132

Oh, I agree and think all semi-autos need to be banned. As to modification to prevent bump stocks, Hoyt Oct 2017 #134

Not impossible, more like impractical Always Right Oct 2017 #136

Well, at least you are thinking and can see that it is possible to modify a rifle where a bump stock Hoyt Oct 2017 #137

I'm not part of "you guys" Always Right Oct 2017 #138

You are a gun promoter. There are millions who support the NRA, but are too cheap to pay dues. Hoyt Oct 2017 #143

Maybe I'm not a member because I disagree with them on things Always Right Oct 2017 #151

"Gun promoter" ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #153

Its up to them. They are the smart ones who have been evading safety laws RainCaster Oct 2017 #52

Legally speaking, the weapons were not fully automatic. Always Right Oct 2017 #57

Sue them for what? THIS lawsuit says couldn't happen without the stocks. jmg257 Oct 2017 #9

The bump stock is worthless without the AR15. Gun manufacturers, dealers and profiteers like Hoyt Oct 2017 #11

Then why does this lawsuit state otherwise? THAT'S the point, Hoyt. jmg257 Oct 2017 #14

Jeeezus. The lawsuit is filed against the bump stock manufacturers. Get you head out of your barrels Hoyt Oct 2017 #16

I KNOW Hoyt. THIS lawsuit (their statement) puts ALL the blame on the stock guys! jmg257 Oct 2017 #18

If you were filing a law suit, wouldn't you write it that way. That's the way all lawsuits are Hoyt Oct 2017 #21

Ha - that'a a funny dig - I get it! Bet the other kids love you at recess! jmg257 Oct 2017 #22

Bump stocks are a legal product, Keefer Oct 2017 #29

Keefer, look up how they brought down the Tobacco companies. Then look up PLCAA. Hoyt Oct 2017 #32

The tobacco companies got caught Keefer Oct 2017 #37

The gun companies are the same, they use the NRA and gun-humpers to hide behind. That needs to Hoyt Oct 2017 #41

You can't hold ANY manufacturer Keefer Oct 2017 #46

Wow - you will LOVE this, Hoyt...you will have to read some though... jmg257 Oct 2017 #49

Exactly. Now the Gun Protection Act needs to repealed legislatively Hoyt Oct 2017 #61

What did the manufacturers and dealers do ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #69

They advertise that guns make you a man, you need guns to survive, their Hoyt Oct 2017 #70

I like you Hoyt ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #72

Look, Dem, there's civil liability and morality to consider. Gun profiteers are implicated. Hoyt Oct 2017 #75

Lawsuits determine liability, not morality. - NT Always Right Oct 2017 #116

And coolaid advertises that a Giant Man will break down your wall fescuerescue Oct 2017 #150

Yea, pretty much Always Right Oct 2017 #152

Bankruptcy doesn't end production of items, it just changes who sells them Always Right Oct 2017 #67

Yeah, but s potential buyer or producer has to factor in the liability for the next massacre. Hoyt Oct 2017 #71

Yes, but not likely in the way you want Always Right Oct 2017 #78

I get it AlwaysRight, gun and accessory manufacturers, dealers and many gun owners are slimy SOBs Hoyt Oct 2017 #80

Lots of industries take advantage of legal tricks Always Right Oct 2017 #86

I'm sure the Trump Admin will likely followup on your recommendations. Hoyt Oct 2017 #99

A prediction isn't a reccomendation Always Right Oct 2017 #103

Your absurd contention then is that pharmaceutical companies have never been sued LanternWaste Oct 2017 #85

If their drug causes harm, Keefer Oct 2017 #93

Guns are designed and built to do what PRIMARY thing? Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #30

Fire projectiles. jmg257 Oct 2017 #31

to kill Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #39

So other than with all the wounded - his functioned as designed? jmg257 Oct 2017 #44

In a sane world, you would be able to sue, very successfully , a company that Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #45

Welcome to America. Here we protect their ownership by the highest laws in the land. nt jmg257 Oct 2017 #50

Do criminals shot by the police get to sue gun manufacturers too? Always Right Oct 2017 #60

Save lives. ileus Oct 2017 #64

It's not the semi autos that are the problem Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #34

Agreed - that hi-capacity mags are also an issue. jmg257 Oct 2017 #40

Happens to pharma companies rather often... LanternWaste Oct 2017 #83

Pharma, huh? Don't think I have ever posted in a thread about them. jmg257 Oct 2017 #90

Bump fire and bump stocks are not limited to AR-15 style guns. Always Right Oct 2017 #15

You don't get it. As far as those not performing back ground checks, I'm referring to gun-humpers Hoyt Oct 2017 #19

Who said I sell guns without background checks? Always Right Oct 2017 #23

It's kind of Obvious. Hoyt Oct 2017 #35

Is that you, Fred Colon? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2017 #89

He's not defending guns and gunners because he's altruistic. Hoyt Oct 2017 #98

Kindly point out what's factually inaccurate in his posts. Show your work friendly_iconoclast Oct 2017 #100

..which request got the expected reply: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2017 #106

Is not immediately replying to a post I didn't see til now, considered awkward silence? - NT Always Right Oct 2017 #120

My apologies for being unclear- that was meant for your interlocutor, not you friendly_iconoclast Oct 2017 #129

What evidence do you have that poster sells guns without background checks? Marengo Oct 2017 #108

Most of you gunners do, that's why you want to protect private sales without background checks. Hoyt Oct 2017 #125

No evidence, eh? If you have any integrity, you'll retract that accusation. Additionally, you can... Marengo Oct 2017 #128

Don't hold your breath- that one has been 'all advertising and no product' for years friendly_iconoclast Oct 2017 #130

In what way is it obvious? Always Right Oct 2017 #119

I replied to what you wrote #23-"I've never said that I do or don't own guns." Again, it's obvious. Hoyt Oct 2017 #126

"Again, it's obvious." Only to you... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2017 #131

I know, all the Gungeoneers are just acting like gunners. None have any guns, don't want anyone Hoyt Oct 2017 #133

Perhaps someday you'll learn that "my firm belief(s)" and "things that are demonstrably true"... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2017 #135

Gun sales without background checks Always Right Oct 2017 #140

No, because gunners will sell to anyone with a fistful of cash. All transfers need Hoyt Oct 2017 #141

All transfers have to go through a FFL? Always Right Oct 2017 #147

Jeeez, go post to someone else. You are too obtuse to own or speak on behalf of your guns. n/t Hoyt Oct 2017 #148

You said all Always Right Oct 2017 #154

Are you a NRA member? I think you lost your way rockfordfile Oct 2017 #144

Not a member. Always Right Oct 2017 #155

Unless it's made for an AK47, then it'd be useless without an AK. ileus Oct 2017 #62

you can bump-fire without the stock. I've seen it all over youtube samir.g Oct 2017 #104

Great - win this, so bump stocks are THE culprit, and semi-autos are off the hook. jmg257 Oct 2017 #8

Why would this mean that anything else is "off the hook." Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #26

Because, the way I read it (w/o seeing the complaint) it states that the guns were not the issue jmg257 Oct 2017 #27

It's a correct statement. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #28

Ah I see your point about this is the end game, as it gets even better for the gunners & builders... jmg257 Oct 2017 #51

K&R... spanone Oct 2017 #10

Hope they sue the magazine manufacturers malaise Oct 2017 #20

Good. Now remove the special protections for gun manufacturers. nt. Weekend Warrior Oct 2017 #25

Link to complaint Always Right Oct 2017 #33

They'll be suing shortly, don't you think? I bet a lot of people and groups file suits too. Hoyt Oct 2017 #36

I am sure there will be lots of law suits Always Right Oct 2017 #43

Thank you for posting this link to the complaint Gothmog Oct 2017 #112

The PLCAA refers to suits against makers of "qualified" products, which it defines petronius Oct 2017 #38

Agree. The PLCAA shouldn't apply to guns either. It allows gun manufacturers and profiteers to Hoyt Oct 2017 #42

Stocks are not optional Always Right Oct 2017 #47

Huh, good point! If a stock is a stock is a stock, and a stock petronius Oct 2017 #53

No, but there are a wide variety of stocks for this rifle jmowreader Oct 2017 #73

Yes, there are lots of other choices for a stock Always Right Oct 2017 #79

This suit will go nowhere. former9thward Oct 2017 #48

Then sue the Federal Government. Sue every Congressperson who voted for it and the President who coolsandy Oct 2017 #54

The law was enacted in 1934 when Franklin D. Roosevelt was president. Always Right Oct 2017 #55

Youre right: gun bans work! Nevernose Oct 2017 #63

I haven't advocated a position for or against anything Always Right Oct 2017 #65

You said it Nevernose Oct 2017 #66

I think you confused me with someone else. Always Right Oct 2017 #68

If these devices are not guns according to the ATF, then they are not protected Gothmog Oct 2017 #56

The law protects components of guns, not just guns Always Right Oct 2017 #58

The rationale for the Obama ATF to not regulate this device is that it is not a gun Gothmog Oct 2017 #113

The rational for not regulating is that does not meet the definition of machine gun conversion part Always Right Oct 2017 #115

How do you sue someone for a product that performed just doc03 Oct 2017 #76

Designed to turn a legal device into a legal one? Atman Oct 2017 #81

Hell, why not? Doreen Oct 2017 #77

Looks like the gunners not liking this one. Kingofalldems Oct 2017 #82

the gunners don't like anything HAB911 Oct 2017 #87

Which ones aren't digging it? jmg257 Oct 2017 #91

That's not allowed here. Kingofalldems Oct 2017 #96

Ah - gotcha - that would be call-out? Strange, but understood - I guess. jmg257 Oct 2017 #97

Good! Good!💰The only way to stop it🔫is take their 💸. Alice11111 Oct 2017 #101

The stocks are meaningless, the guns have to go samir.g Oct 2017 #105

Was it a Colt 1911 in .45acp rather than a Colt 45? Always Right Oct 2017 #123

the way i look at it is bluestarone Oct 2017 #107

If only they could sue tinfoil nutjobs who think ot was a hoax. LW1977 Oct 2017 #127

It Would be good if they could succeed. It straighten them up. rockfordfile Oct 2017 #145

Big K/R JDC Oct 2017 #156