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Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
148. Oh, do tell.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 11:59 PM
Jul 2012

What is the slander? Pointing out that those who do not kneel before the Great OWS are considered by them to be blasphemers, damned to the fires of hell for all eternity?

What is the 'ulterior motive'? Pointing out that Occupy has become a Fundie-style religion that brooks no dissent from anyone?

Fact-free? Where are your facts to refute anything I've said?

kctim set out his argument in well-reasoned, thoughtful responses. Your reply, on the other hand, is an emotional diatribe devoid of any facts whatsoever - other than the fact that you are easily pissed-off when someone pisses on your opinion.

Might I reiterate that I am not a member of any Fundie group - ergo, I do not accept what OWS tells me I HAVE TO BELIEVE simply on the basis that they said so.

If you care to have a reasoned discussion about this, I'm in. But if your only response is that my post is slanderous and based on some ulterior motive you can't articulate, it is obvious we have nothing further to discuss.




they haven't lost me, though I oppose that message fishwax Jul 2012 #1
105 Likes !!! otohara Jul 2012 #9
It was a Democratic governor who ordered the cops to tear down the Occupy Denver camp. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #120
I don't agree with the sentiment either UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #134
On a related note... LibAsHell Jul 2012 #2
And this is why "the movement" can't be successful. Conspiracy shit is a turn off. (nt) Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #28
Yeah, all the Rove conspiracy and Bush's Iraq War Group conspiracy and Valerie Plame conspiracy Hissyspit Jul 2012 #58
Were those conspiracy theories? Who knew? I thought the subject was 911? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #60
Yes, the mainstream considered them conspiracy theories. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #61
If you say so. I see I'm talking to a "true believer" so I'll just be over here--------->>>>>>>, Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #63
Those were without a doubt conspiracies at one time or another whether you recognize that or not. EOTE Jul 2012 #73
TRUTH! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #84
And if they think they are screwed now, rmoney will be screwing them in ways they can not imagine if kimbutgar Jul 2012 #3
It will get worse. randome Jul 2012 #4
Have you been able to figure out the purpose of this "movement"? The fact that they hate.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #30
Sure. The purpose was to get people talking about the purpose. randome Jul 2012 #39
"still without a leader". This is where we vehemently disagree. I believe there is indeed..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #55
I'll tell ya, if I were a NYC cop with kids, I'd have spent a lot of time plussing up the rugrats' MADem Jul 2012 #153
Someone needs to instruct them that turtlerescue1 Jul 2012 #5
There Are Many Comments Against This otohara Jul 2012 #11
WHY don't they think they need the MASSES to force change? turtlerescue1 Jul 2012 #23
This is the main reason OWS is a failure. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #6
Bullshit. Not wanting to be co-opted was not a plan. It was a rationalization. randome Jul 2012 #8
Whatever it was, it was dumb. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #10
All excellent points. zappaman Jul 2012 #15
I think you two are BOTH right. nt MADem Jul 2012 #27
Not really. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #29
And how many 'occupiers' do you think actually read that? randome Jul 2012 #41
Yes, actually, there have been classes. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #56
The teabaggers are owned outright by the Koch brothers. Occupy will not be bought. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #77
Yeah because they aren't worth anything 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #144
Occupy is a social movement. (((facepalm))) Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #149
No, it was a political movement 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #162
That is why a local occupier got arrested nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #99
The GOP's useful idiots. Robb Jul 2012 #7
That's the vibe I was given. n/t vaberella Jul 2012 #35
I understand the frustration expressed. mmonk Jul 2012 #12
I think this is actually a pretty old logo RZM Jul 2012 #13
You're Right - otohara Jul 2012 #14
Posted by an agent provacateur, surely...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #16
You cracked me up again, Sid pintobean Jul 2012 #24
why do you diss the movement sid? are you an agent provacateur? occupy dionysus Jul 2012 #70
Sid is not a liberal. UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #133
I'm much more liberal than you are... SidDithers Jul 2012 #142
That was then, this is now. UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #146
Yeah. OK... SidDithers Jul 2012 #151
Disappointing. backscatter712 Jul 2012 #17
Occupy the Vote! pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #18
Thank you, I've been reading this thread with amusement. The anti-Social Justice Movement sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #31
Well, last year they inspired my sig line. randome Jul 2012 #37
Why am I not surprised? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #40
The anti-Social Justice Movement. That's so accurate. Zorra Jul 2012 #65
"The System is good" whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #86
... Zorra Jul 2012 #88
That's more like it! KamaAina Jul 2012 #90
It's like Naderologically Radicalicious, Brah Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #19
!!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #32
This has been the huge flaw. If you want to change things, you have to get your people in positions Pirate Smile Jul 2012 #20
Why not take the advice of a genius: Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #74
Why local occupiers RAN for office here nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #85
That graphic is a massive failure. MineralMan Jul 2012 #21
i bet they can get the koch brothers and the us chamber of commerce to print as many as they need arely staircase Jul 2012 #22
Occupy Colorado is a much better organization. DevonRex Jul 2012 #25
Probably some Young College Republican, disguised as one of those black hoodie types, came up with MADem Jul 2012 #26
You are probably correct. Because no one I know from any of the occupations across the country sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #33
I keep saying that those black hoodie guys are no friends to Occupy; usually I get my ass handed to MADem Jul 2012 #50
Well, I agree with you, and have from the beginning. Their actions are counter to what sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #59
BINGO!! B Calm Jul 2012 #49
No matter what it's always infiltrators 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #145
You may have a point. MADem Jul 2012 #150
So what percentage of protesters would you say are astro-turf? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #160
I couldn't even begin to speculate. I don't think you'd need a LOT to MADem Jul 2012 #163
Finally, after all these many years, an understated OP Zanzoobar Jul 2012 #34
Meh...whatever. The Occupiers never had me. n/t vaberella Jul 2012 #36
One shouldn't judge a whole movement based on the opinions of some. joshcryer Jul 2012 #38
Ideological diversity! Oh noez! LeftyMom Jul 2012 #42
People whose opinions you respect advocate not voting? Robb Jul 2012 #43
How many books do you want to read? LeftyMom Jul 2012 #45
I read one time you don't have to put stamps on letters. Robb Jul 2012 #46
Vietnam. Just write FREE in the corner! MADem Jul 2012 #52
Somebody else already beat me to it, Jamaal510 Jul 2012 #44
Yes, I'm sure it was RW infiltrators. zappaman Jul 2012 #51
Those infiltrators aren't new, though. They've been pulling this shit from the git-go. MADem Jul 2012 #54
Well said.. SidDithers Jul 2012 #69
I came up with Martin. I still believe that shit! nt MADem Jul 2012 #108
I will have to ask, since I have been covering them nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #94
I really don't want to get into a Smothers Brothers skit. I don't care who "started it." MADem Jul 2012 #107
Well the problem is that the vibe nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #109
Well, fine, those are your anecdotes. They aren't what went on in Beantown or Oakland. MADem Jul 2012 #110
I am willing to bet some of the black block in Oakland nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #111
I am not having a "problem." I told you I had no interest into playing a speculative game about who MADem Jul 2012 #115
And I told you some real facts from the ground nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #117
No, they don't contradict anything, they are simply your personal experience. Have a nice day. nt MADem Jul 2012 #122
Thanks to great reporting by journalists like yourself zappaman Jul 2012 #125
Well in that the U.S. is now owned by 17 richer fucks, there may be something to be said for fucking lonestarnot Jul 2012 #47
Absolutely. I'm sure there is an anarchist or socialist site somewhere that would welcome them. randome Jul 2012 #53
Two issues with OWS that formed my opinion - AtomicKitten Jul 2012 #48
And there it is! That was my tipping point as well. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #57
Too bad you got that wrong, re Lewis. He understood and was not upset at all, but then he would. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #62
Uh huh. AtomicKitten Jul 2012 #68
Allow me to very clear when I say that the Occupy movement is one of the most useless things I've cecilfirefox Jul 2012 #64
Last week Occupy Fights Foreclosures got CA Gov Jerry Brown to sign a Homeowner's Bill of Rights Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #75
Well locally an Occupoer nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #95
Um, show me where this is an official position of Occupy Denver. U4ikLefty Jul 2012 #66
Lame. I like Occupy but that's dumb. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #67
The Occupy movement is dead leftynyc Jul 2012 #71
Here is a nice simple message from Occupy: Fuck the banks who are stealing the country. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #78
It's not going to be done leftynyc Jul 2012 #100
Please, outside of Madrid (Spain), point to me ONE nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #102
I never said their message was horrible leftynyc Jul 2012 #112
Well here is the shocking thing nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #113
Explain it away to yourself, while we're busy doing things. Cheers! Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #118
Yup, it is so dead that they were out protesting nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #81
Yeah, and telling people not to vote will sure get them the results they want Arkana Jul 2012 #89
You are making a classic mistake nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #93
Feel free to get pissed at me leftynyc Jul 2012 #101
You have an opinion nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #103
Hopefully Phase Two leftynyc Jul 2012 #114
One person posting a post at Facebook nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #116
"One person posting a post at Facebook" zappaman Jul 2012 #126
Occupy is not the democrat's tea party. Occupy supports neither candidates nor parties. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #72
Slight correction, depends on where nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #82
I think that is a horrible idea and can end in catastrophic failure. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #87
You may think that but they concluded nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #91
By failure I mean potential failure in terms of those running in the existing system Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #96
That exists regardless nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #98
Please remember: Occupy is a social movement, not a political movement. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #76
when I was young and naive I thought the election of Ronald Reagan would hasten the rise of the new Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #79
30 years of that crap is coming to a close. randome Jul 2012 #83
Luckily, they do not represent 99% of the people kctim Jul 2012 #80
By your "1%er" signature, I understand your post. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #97
Only enforces the fact kctim Jul 2012 #104
So you are not concerned about the crisis with the banks nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #105
Well put. randome Jul 2012 #106
Well-put bullshit. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #121
Then you should have no problem kctim Jul 2012 #127
Why should I "explain" those questions? Hissyspit Jul 2012 #130
. kctim Jul 2012 #131
You said people not showing up for protests = not support ideas. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #139
Well, there you have it. One seriously bullshit elitist post. Zorra Jul 2012 #123
Your emotional response does nothing to refute the fact kctim Jul 2012 #128
Again. once again, you are not concerned about Citizens United? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #129
I trust facts, not excuses or opinions kctim Jul 2012 #132
I asked a simple question nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #135
Excellent responses on this thread, kctim. Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #136
No, they are not excellent responses. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #138
As was the OWS post of 'Fuck the Vote' that started this thread. randome Jul 2012 #140
And has has been pointed out NUMEROUS times in this thread Hissyspit Jul 2012 #141
Oh, do tell. Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #148
Good grief. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #164
Then we're even. Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #165
What a bunch of Romney-spew. woo me with science Jul 2012 #147
one image warrprayer Jul 2012 #92
Of course. And the fact that it was a Democrat (Hickenlooper) that sent in the stormtroopers to Hissyspit Jul 2012 #119
And therein lies a major part of the problem with OWS. Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #137
Sun Tzu warrprayer Jul 2012 #158
"We've shown you people all the tax returns we are going to" n/t jtuck004 Jul 2012 #166
They're morons, in the sense that geek tragedy Jul 2012 #124
Anyone who thinks this is dumb is siding with the corporations 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #143
And so we've all been told. n/t Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #152
Colorado's OWS is not the entire OWS movement. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #154
"OWS is a part of the political dynamic." zappaman Jul 2012 #155
"...a lot of Democrats including Homeland Security."? randome Jul 2012 #157
Obviously he's never been to a Civil Air Patrol meeting. Robb Jul 2012 #159
Actually, I did go to Civil Air Patrol occasionally when I was in high school. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #168
The head of Homeland Security was appointed by Obama, a Democrat, who is responsible JDPriestly Jul 2012 #167
Occupy? Inkfreak Jul 2012 #156
Fuck this post. The Midway Rebel Jul 2012 #161
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