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peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
8. At a loss
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 11:28 AM
Oct 2017

I'm at a complete loss when it comes to Kelly and how thoroughly he's been swept into this sewer. His comments on Robert E. Lee are inexplicable when one considers the carnage of the Civil War. And yes, there was a dispute over slavery but there was no compromise in the face of decency to be made. Although I accept that we cannot judge our ancestors with today's yardsticks, there is a limit when it comes to basic morality. There were not two objective truths to the argument. One cannot ascribe 'good faith' to those who approved and were willing to break the Nation over human bondage.

Robert E. Lee had the advantage of wealth and education. To his shame, he chose to be on the wrong side of history. That is not the mark of nobility or honor. Seen in its best light the stance is arrogant. At it's worst? Immoral and treasonous.

This 'both sides are equal' is eerily like the Trumpster's comments on Charlottesville.

Was your Granny wearing something provocative? MagickMuffin Oct 2017 #1
I'll fill in the blank rainin Oct 2017 #2
Dark skin has provoked whites to violence many times throughout history IronLionZion Oct 2017 #10
Yep. Dark skin can still be pretty provocative. maddiemom Nov 2017 #51
Muffin saidsimplesimon Oct 2017 #26
They consistently use the tactic of accusing the other side of things they themselves are guilty of. StrictlyRockers Oct 2017 #3
The trouble with history is that it is not personal packman Oct 2017 #4
In order to be ok with slavery one has to think of slaves as something less than human. Ligyron Oct 2017 #21
Remarkably stupid and heartless of Kelly! And certainly racist! Ukapau Oct 2017 #5
I am not going to blame Trump for Kelly tulipsandroses Oct 2017 #9
Agree Meowmee Oct 2017 #29
I blame Trump for choosing racist loser Kelly as his chief of staff. yardwork Oct 2017 #38
Certainly! Some call him an oaf, a buffoon DesertRat Oct 2017 #25
What the hell compromise could have avoided the civil war... HopeAgain Oct 2017 #6
This? Submariner Oct 2017 #11
The "Missouri Compromise"? maddiemom Oct 2017 #14
Exactly, still involved slavery and didn't work HopeAgain Oct 2017 #16
I believe he was referring to the Crittenden Committee Yupster Oct 2017 #37
There was no compromise possible. yardwork Oct 2017 #39
Remember Lincoln ran on the platform that he was no threat to the south's system of slavery Yupster Oct 2017 #40
And that was not enough for the slave-owning states. yardwork Oct 2017 #41
All I can think of is that they would agree treestar Oct 2017 #24
Oh, really? Perhaps counting slaves as two-fifths of a person Ellen Forradalom Oct 2017 #7
Conservative Compromise rpannier Nov 2017 #43
At a loss peggysue2 Oct 2017 #8
"Besides that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" Lee's traitorous behavior Ukapau Oct 2017 #12
also, why even bring it up or make the comments onit2day Oct 2017 #17
Right, you are peggysue2 Oct 2017 #22
It's simple atreides1 Nov 2017 #46
I'll admit MichMary Oct 2017 #28
Swept into this sewer? RandomAccess Oct 2017 #31
Kelly was in the Fucking sewer long before he started maxrandb Oct 2017 #32
Keep it up, keep it up SCantiGOP Oct 2017 #13
K & R SunSeeker Oct 2017 #15
An excellent comment at the bottom of the page with the Ta-Nehisi Coates piece: scarletwoman Oct 2017 #18
Lee was a traitor who got off way too light. 47of74 Oct 2017 #19
We should have tried Lee and the traitors. Initech Oct 2017 #20
Money. End. Of. Story. ChubbyStar Oct 2017 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #27
The only compromise should have been Progressive dog Oct 2017 #30
Ta-Nehisi Coates shredded John Kelly's statement on twitter w/ a very informative thread. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #33
These neo confederate racists are the enemy workinclasszero Oct 2017 #34
With malice toward none, with charity for all... Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2017 #35
If Lincoln would have lived Yupster Oct 2017 #42
Lincoln didn't mean to "enoble" the South, just forgive them, basically. maddiemom Nov 2017 #47
I meant "ennoble" in the sense of making them see themselves as better than they were. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2017 #48
Interesting. Food for further thought. maddiemom Nov 2017 #49
White Supremacists zentrum Oct 2017 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2017 #44
Ken Burns... pokerfan Nov 2017 #45
AKA "States' Rights." maddiemom Nov 2017 #50
My high school US History teacher tried to teach us that crap pokerfan Nov 2017 #52
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