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Response to Tobin S. (Original post)

Kicking and Rec'ing! Habibi Nov 2017 #1
A full -- the best! -- THIRD of white working class male voters Hortensis Nov 2017 #31
If a third voted Dem who did the other two thirds-vote for? brush Nov 2017 #110
Can't follow the reasoning, but let's make it simple: Hortensis Nov 2017 #114
Read my headline and post again. brush Nov 2017 #116
This. Nt cwydro Nov 2017 #119
if they voted for Trump they are involved in the political process. and they told us why they voted JI7 Nov 2017 #2
Most Trump voters were middle class to wealthy. Tobin S. Nov 2017 #4
everyone who voted for him is shit. and there is nothing wrong with calling out the low income JI7 Nov 2017 #6
Jesus Christ! The problem is that you guys are calling ALL of us shit and bigots. Tobin S. Nov 2017 #7
we do. but we don't continually get people going on about the goodness of those groups JI7 Nov 2017 #8
Actually, people are calling the Bettie Nov 2017 #57
That is nonsense...my own son is 'working class' although after being laid off from GM is seems Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #91
Just in case you haven't had time to read the whole thread... mia Nov 2017 #92
Tobin did not vote for the Shitstain. cwydro Nov 2017 #120
I'll delete the post since it doesn't address Tobin's concern. I think my response is #95... Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #121
I'm with JI7 on this one. Aristus Nov 2017 #107
You've said it far better than I could have. GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #139
I think you're onto a sad truth. maddiemom Nov 2017 #160
Not around here. sarah FAILIN Nov 2017 #25
Anyone who voted for the Nazi-in-Chief is a POS... period! Fuck them all!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #32
My 26 year old son is an electrician, and everyone he works with voted for Trump adigal Nov 2017 #145
I don't do stats but the people I know who voted for Trump onit2day Nov 2017 #164
Just amazing how all those rich and middle class voters just happen to live out in the sticks n2doc Nov 2017 #3
Did you read the article? I thought the Washington Post was a respected news source here. Tobin S. Nov 2017 #5
Data is data n2doc Nov 2017 #11
Really? Tobin S. Nov 2017 #13
Okay I think the problem here is that you don't like being "lumped in" with Trump supporters. Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #95
This is my take on the post too nini Nov 2017 #161
You're on DU. Posters here are more knowledgeable than to assign a whole demograhic segment... brush Nov 2017 #112
I wish that were true. Stonepounder Nov 2017 #154
The groups in your last sentence are the ones who deserve all the scorn we heap upon them. brush Nov 2017 #156
Not to be argumentative or snarky, but now you know how we Southerners or Texans Stonepounder Nov 2017 #157
That's what I said about most on DU. Let's leave it at that. brush Nov 2017 #158
The media's interviews with voters conrtibute to our impression of each other. Jim Beard Nov 2017 #173
It is also true that many of these BlueMTexpat Nov 2017 #12
Don't blame me. I voted for Hillary. Tobin S. Nov 2017 #15
I'm not blaming YOU BlueMTexpat Nov 2017 #17
Well it's good to know that some of you here aren't. Or are you the only one? Tobin S. Nov 2017 #24
I doubt it. BlueMTexpat Nov 2017 #30
me too!! samnsara Nov 2017 #39
That map shows how Trump won nearly every state Wednesdays Nov 2017 #85
The county where I live and vote went the lightest pink in the general election. PufPuf23 Nov 2017 #129
I live in the sticks snpsmom Nov 2017 #9
That might be the reality where you live, but it is not representative of Trump's entire base. Tobin S. Nov 2017 #10
Hang in there, Tobin S. mia Nov 2017 #18
Same here. cwydro Nov 2017 #122
Not sure what your problem is with what I said snpsmom Nov 2017 #150
You are correct Cosmocat Nov 2017 #56
They're missing the message, and we're not getting it out enough. Amimnoch Nov 2017 #14
The first half of your post was very good and you should have stopped right there. Tobin S. Nov 2017 #19
I have been following this thread to this point and I have to say mdbl Nov 2017 #41
Do fat people need to be shamed for eating too much? mythology Nov 2017 #67
I disagree - you're talking about physical addictions not stupid decisions mdbl Nov 2017 #77
I seriously doubt that you're going to get anywhere by reasoning with cult followers Cary Nov 2017 #82
I agree, just expose them for what they are and hope mdbl Nov 2017 #104
We can't save everyone Cary Nov 2017 #106
Just make them watch the shiney silver dollar you started spinning on the table Jim Beard Nov 2017 #174
Yes. By all means, shame them and tell them that they're terminally stupid. WillowTree Nov 2017 #100
Good luck with it. mdbl Nov 2017 #109
Good for you! Go shame the Hell out of 'em!! WillowTree Nov 2017 #115
And good luck with your love fests. mdbl Nov 2017 #118
The upper middle class who voted for Trump dont give a shit about your shaming. cwydro Nov 2017 #123
The sub thread kinda veered off topic, but that doesn't change the fact they should be ashamed of mdbl Nov 2017 #124
Well, for a fact, some unions turned their backs on Hillary in 2016 and voted for Trump and the mamas Nov 2017 #37
Referencing your link JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #16
Reference the data. Tobin S. Nov 2017 #21
It's a straw man argument mdbl Nov 2017 #45
I did not call working class people ignorant racists JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #68
PS JustAnotherGen Nov 2017 #69
Interesting article, indeed. tavernier Nov 2017 #20
Found this on NPR GreenEyedLefty Nov 2017 #29
That's in the ANES study; this says they put the overall 4 year college degree figure at 62% muriel_volestrangler Nov 2017 #42
you need to stop taking this stuff personally, the demographics are pretty clear and you are beachbum bob Nov 2017 #22
Stop taking it personally? Tobin S. Nov 2017 #26
A majority of white people did vote for trump. JI7 Nov 2017 #28
"every one"? Oh COME on. HughBeaumont Nov 2017 #58
? A majority of white men ... DID ... vote for Red Don. That doesn't mean demean them though uponit7771 Nov 2017 #65
Well, I repeatedly (and still) call them idiot racist fuckheads Orrex Nov 2017 #89
"Not all white working class men," I guess. Orrex Nov 2017 #72
How many time are you gonna say you guys? MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #75
What? DiverDave Nov 2017 #23
Dude. Tobin S. Nov 2017 #27
Wow DiverDave Nov 2017 #52
If you've voted for a straight leftynyc Nov 2017 #54
I don't look down on anybody but Trump voters. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #64
You're ... NOT ... the statistic people are talking about here uponit7771 Nov 2017 #66
Tobin has a big heart. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #63
You're talking to the wrong folks here maxrandb Nov 2017 #33
What an excellent idea! Am waiting for a response. In the meantime: Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #50
Democrats already know that not all maxrandb Nov 2017 #74
Yes please: Let us know how that conversation goes AND Get back to us with your results! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #76
Yes! Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #96
As far as I am concerned, anyone who voted for trump was well aware he still_one Nov 2017 #34
Keep writing and talking about this, Tobin S. democrank Nov 2017 #35
makes it difficult to spot the trolls sometimes. mdbl Nov 2017 #46
Please post a few examples of DUers attacking white working men as one monolithic group BamaRefugee Nov 2017 #36
here is one that hurt my feelings questionseverything Nov 2017 #130
I was adressing Tobin or whoever the OP was, sorry for any confusion n/t BamaRefugee Nov 2017 #134
you asked...But posts that simply blame that entire group? Nah. Don't think so. questionseverything Nov 2017 #136
that was the point I was making. He picked out 3 lines out of a thread with HUNDREDS of responses BamaRefugee Nov 2017 #137
ur post that i responded to said,there were no posts like that questionseverything Nov 2017 #138
actually i said "post 3 to 5 DISCUSSIONS where white males were attacked end masse" BamaRefugee Nov 2017 #159
agree on GO DEMS!! questionseverything Nov 2017 #165
Being born and bred in Bama...that won't happen! BamaRefugee Nov 2017 #167
what we need to happen is "sane" repubs back a write in campaign questionseverything Nov 2017 #170
Preach!!! I hate i see polls pointing how the educated voted. Against who? mfcorey1 Nov 2017 #38
Politics of marginalizing v. recruitng HopeAgain Nov 2017 #40
your last line really sums it up questionseverything Nov 2017 #171
Tobin S... NCTraveler Nov 2017 #43
Tobin, I agree that we all need to stop hanging labels.... KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2017 #44
As much as I enjoy a good scolding, maybe you can clarify something: Orrex Nov 2017 #47
THIS ehrnst Nov 2017 #49
You do understand that most things you talk about also apply to working class people of color ehrnst Nov 2017 #48
I have had my absolute fill of that bullshit Cosmocat Nov 2017 #55
My husband comes from a long line of union people. redstatebluegirl Nov 2017 #51
I've been in that boat my entire life. Hard work and never made big money. I'm just under 40k brewens Nov 2017 #53
I had no idea how hard it is to be a white man in America. nt LexVegas Nov 2017 #59
People who feel ENTITLED are dismayed when others ACHIEVE. NurseJackie Nov 2017 #62
Damn straight! I'm not even allowed to own concubines or field slaves anymore. Orrex Nov 2017 #86
Facts are stubborn things DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2017 #60
Your dad was amazing. SunSeeker Nov 2017 #135
Republicans don't have solutions for WWC workweek beside feel-good-now-racism & religion un-freedom Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #61
Exactly.. HipChick Nov 2017 #70
+1 dalton99a Nov 2017 #73
think about adding misogyny, always present. irisblue Nov 2017 #101
Ah misogyny it is baked into the whole she-bang PIE and cannot be separated. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #102
Income is an outdated indicator of how people vote. muntrv Nov 2017 #78
I would also throw education into that mix. smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #141
The average Republican isn't just a middle class to wealthy class white male voter. Baitball Blogger Nov 2017 #79
This makes allot more sense to me TNLib Nov 2017 #80
Sorry, but a lot of us poor whites are racist morons looking for someone to blame for their life. PubliusEnigma Nov 2017 #81
Trump voters are dupes...every. single. one. Moostache Nov 2017 #83
You upper body strength must be impressive . . . . hatrack Nov 2017 #84
Cry me a river.... BronxBoy Nov 2017 #87
This. BlueWI Nov 2017 #155
I wish I could 'rec' this post nini Nov 2017 #162
You has a sad? Have tissue, I've no sympathies to spare. procon Nov 2017 #88
"And they watch FOX and listen to right-wing radio" Initech Nov 2017 #90
We're supposed to be the party that DOESN'T divide people by race. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #93
They're working class, until you call them white working class. Iggo Nov 2017 #94
I fit the Trumpster demographic completely. Mr.Bill Nov 2017 #97
Know exactly what your talking about Va Lefty Nov 2017 #108
How About if you Live in WI??? Lifelong Protester Nov 2017 #98
I keep thinking about the movie brainwashing of my father kimbutgar Nov 2017 #99
I'm an AfAm woman and there are lots of smart fierce white men underthematrix Nov 2017 #103
I'm am also a black woman and I agree with you. Whether real or perceived, if poor white men feel SweetieD Nov 2017 #117
Thanks for posting. United we stand, divided we fall. jalan48 Nov 2017 #105
They made their bed, now they can lay in it samir.g Nov 2017 #111
Only chickens lay. cwydro Nov 2017 #166
My response: Garrett78 Nov 2017 #113
Tobin, its obvious you hit a very sensitive nerve here. cwydro Nov 2017 #125
The working class used to be zentrum Nov 2017 #126
Could you please define "working class"? TygrBright Nov 2017 #127
Evangelicals, aka "Fake Christians" overwhelmingly voted for Trump. liberalmuse Nov 2017 #128
The working class is comprised overwhelmingly of people of color and women BainsBane Nov 2017 #131
I don't get why you think we are talking about people like you. lark Nov 2017 #132
I think the reason "they" say that is because the white working male group in 3 states.... Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #133
I, for one, am sick of to death of hearing about white male grievance, and this is just another.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2017 #140
Shockingly, income does not equal 'class.' The MSM just keeps assuming that TrollBuster9090 Nov 2017 #142
Absolutely!! MountCleaners Nov 2017 #144
Yep, it's a soft prejudice of the media. Without doing actual research, they just assume that TrollBuster9090 Nov 2017 #163
Why not just vote their interests? treestar Nov 2017 #143
Tobin doesn't really need my help or support, perhaps, but I'd point this out: PatrickforO Nov 2017 #146
I don't care why they're racist. (n/t) Iggo Nov 2017 #147
Great, so you're gonna do...what? PatrickforO Nov 2017 #148
"...so you're gonna do...what?" Iggo Nov 2017 #149
they say the NFL Stands for "N...... for Life" JI7 Nov 2017 #169
Sorry, this link reveals the uncomfortable truth Awsi Dooger Nov 2017 #151
This white working class chick has never voted for a sTrumpet. raven mad Nov 2017 #152
I think the question is this: if people voted for 45 because he supported AJT Nov 2017 #153
I belong to the demographic of old fat bald white man. I've actually had people look at me... NNadir Nov 2017 #168
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