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Egnever

(21,506 posts)
21. Well here is the flip side
Thu Nov 30, 2017, 11:46 PM
Nov 2017

when I was a much younger man I went out with a girl that was a little nuts. One night we got in an argument and she started hitting me as she liked to do when she was mad and so in my underwear I walked outside to get away from her. She slammed the door behind me and locked me out in the middle of winter. I banged on the door for 15 minutes and when she wouldn't let me in I proceeded to break down the door. Mostly because I was freezing in my underwear and it was my apartment.

After breaking down the door I went inside and sat on the bed. 5 minutes later the cops showed up. I was promptly handcuffed and taken to jail.

When I finally got to see a judge 4 days later he and the prosecutor wanted me to plead guilty to assault... they treated me like pond scum despite the fact they knew only her side. She told them she was pregnant, she was not. and that I had kicked her in the stomach. I most certainly had not. I never laid a finger on her despite her abuse.

They offered me time served if I just plead guilty to the assault charges. If I refused I would remain in jail till trial. This meant I would certainly lose my job and most likely my place to live. It was very tempting because jail sucks and I certainly could not afford to lose my job or my place to live. Despite that I could not bring myself to plead guilty to something I did not do just to get out of jail and save my job I also knew that charge would follow me the rest of my life if I did again even though I never laid a finger on her.

So I plead innocent and I sat in jail for three weeks waiting after the judge of course told me how disappointed he was in me wasting the tax payers time and money. Then one day they just released me. She apparently was not willing to testify.

When I got home she had stolen everything I owned and left with no trace. I never saw her or any of my stuff again.

Long story short every woman who claims abuse is not telling the truth. Most of them maybe but not all of them and in Frankens case I find the details highly unlikely given everything we know about Franken and all of the woman who have worked for him or with him over the years who stand up for him.

I am certainly sensitive to the fact that it is difficult for women to come forward especially in cases where the perpetrator holds power over them but that does not mean I am going to just give every single story a pass just because they are women.

I have direct experience with a woman who lied outright to the police because she was pissed off and sent me to jail for weeks behind #metoo BS and while I certainly hope women who face these things come forward and that they see justice the idea that we should automatically believe every one of them, as someone who was falsely accused, is ridiculous.

It seriously is a tragedy. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #1
If the allegation is true, then it is sexual assault, not being "being hands-y in public" Lurks Often Nov 2017 #3
But there's also a false equivalency happening forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #4
Of course there are different levels, but it is STILL sexual assault Lurks Often Nov 2017 #6
Not when it is a lie... consider the bullshit...they want Franken gone..the right wing don't Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #14
The photo is not the allegation of sexual assault Lurks Often Nov 2017 #19
Then if it's a crime, as you've jumped so quickly to convict on very bare evidence, Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #25
I have not convicted anyone, these are allegations Lurks Often Dec 2017 #30
You'd be more convincing if you hadn't written above: Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #31
I was responding to a poster attempting to minimize the allegations as just being Lurks Often Dec 2017 #34
By the same token, if you object to minimizing the allegations, Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #35
Agreed and I've tried to be clear in stating these were allegations and nothing has been proven Lurks Often Dec 2017 #37
Well, the past few weeks have seen me beat back against the more extreme Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #39
"unprovable allegations, some anonymous, and some that are pure innuendo." Lurks Often Dec 2017 #40
It's not so new, really! Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #45
No, not new, but the 24/7 news cycle and social media are making it much more visible Lurks Often Dec 2017 #46
No argument here. n/t Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #47
This!!!! Getting it right Cordy Dec 2017 #49
I don't see any comparison at all in the op, or the article Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #10
Without getting into Franken's guilt DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #33
Of course not, but I don't classify a non-violent touch in public as "assault". forgotmylogin Dec 2017 #44
Matt Lauer was fired. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #32
Could we say "accuser" instead of "victim?" Or have we already convicted Senator Franken? Glorfindel Nov 2017 #2
+1 (n/t) forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #5
Yes, that would have been better. dewsgirl Nov 2017 #11
Yet in the photo his hand is no where near her breast Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #7
She said she turned to the side to move his hand off Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #8
With a big grin on her face Egnever Nov 2017 #13
I've spent more than a decade working with survivors of sexual abuse and rape. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #20
Well here is the flip side Egnever Nov 2017 #21
Thank you for offering an explanation other than equating the fact Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #22
Sounds like you are condemning him for his refusal to call women liars. Egnever Dec 2017 #24
He didn't grope everyone is another of those classic 60s-style attacks Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #28
Well I would say this statement erases any ambiguity. Egnever Dec 2017 #29
Trumpkins say a lot of things. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #16
So what's your argument? Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #48
Unless her body is actually facing to the left side of that pic... Orrex Nov 2017 #9
Her story isn't possible gratuitous Nov 2017 #17
I can guarantee you that unless she turned around.... quickesst Dec 2017 #27
More bullshit. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #12
Get your picture with any public figure, in public, and make an accusation against them. It's OnDoutside Nov 2017 #18
If I were a politician...I would refuse all pics from this day forward. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #42
Or at least hands joined in front of them. It's a sad world. OnDoutside Dec 2017 #43
Welcome to DU...also...oh and they have another anonymous report who is supposedly elected Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #15
He kissed her on the cheek Nevernose Dec 2017 #23
I am with you...these are right wing lies...and they just want to get rid of an effective Dem Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #41
So, let's say there is a sort-of celebrity(not a movie star)and you AJT Dec 2017 #26
such bs bdamomma Dec 2017 #36
Completely. dewsgirl Dec 2017 #38
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