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Denzil_DC

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39. Well, the past few weeks have seen me beat back against the more extreme

Fri Dec 1, 2017, 11:02 AM

Dec 2017

reactions to the Tweeden incidents etc., at some cost to my Jury Rating (at the moment, it just means I get called less often, which is fine by me!).

Having reserved judgment and trusted Franken to deal with this as best he can, though, the timing and other aspects have raised my suspicions and there's evidence of a vendetta.

What I've noticed is that all the allegations so far are not of sufficient seriousness that they would inevitably attract the attention of law enforcement. Maybe that's something Franken's opponents have up their sleeves as a grand finale.

I suspect they realize that a more serious allegation would demand a greater burden of proof and probably lead to court, which may be why all there's been so far have been one tasteless picture and unprovable allegations, some anonymous, and some that are pure innuendo.

As for the others who've been accused of sexual assault, I'd like to see those cases tested in a formal environment. At the moment, Trump and Moore, for instance, are getting away without even facing that level of scrutiny for far more serious allegations that do seem to reveal a clear pattern of behavior.

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CNN reporting 5th accuser comes forward against Al Franken [View all] dewsgirl Nov 2017 OP

It seriously is a tragedy. forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #1

If the allegation is true, then it is sexual assault, not being "being hands-y in public" Lurks Often Nov 2017 #3

But there's also a false equivalency happening forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #4

Of course there are different levels, but it is STILL sexual assault Lurks Often Nov 2017 #6

Not when it is a lie... consider the bullshit...they want Franken gone..the right wing don't Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #14

The photo is not the allegation of sexual assault Lurks Often Nov 2017 #19

Then if it's a crime, as you've jumped so quickly to convict on very bare evidence, Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #25

I have not convicted anyone, these are allegations Lurks Often Dec 2017 #30

You'd be more convincing if you hadn't written above: Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #31

I was responding to a poster attempting to minimize the allegations as just being Lurks Often Dec 2017 #34

By the same token, if you object to minimizing the allegations, Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #35

Agreed and I've tried to be clear in stating these were allegations and nothing has been proven Lurks Often Dec 2017 #37

Well, the past few weeks have seen me beat back against the more extreme Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #39

"unprovable allegations, some anonymous, and some that are pure innuendo." Lurks Often Dec 2017 #40

It's not so new, really! Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #45

No, not new, but the 24/7 news cycle and social media are making it much more visible Lurks Often Dec 2017 #46

No argument here. n/t Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #47

This!!!! Getting it right Cordy Dec 2017 #49

I don't see any comparison at all in the op, or the article Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #10

Without getting into Franken's guilt DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #33

Of course not, but I don't classify a non-violent touch in public as "assault". forgotmylogin Dec 2017 #44

Matt Lauer was fired. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #32

Could we say "accuser" instead of "victim?" Or have we already convicted Senator Franken? Glorfindel Nov 2017 #2

+1 (n/t) forgotmylogin Nov 2017 #5

Yes, that would have been better. dewsgirl Nov 2017 #11

Yet in the photo his hand is no where near her breast Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #7

She said she turned to the side to move his hand off Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #8

With a big grin on her face Egnever Nov 2017 #13

I've spent more than a decade working with survivors of sexual abuse and rape. Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #20

Well here is the flip side Egnever Nov 2017 #21

Thank you for offering an explanation other than equating the fact Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #22

Sounds like you are condemning him for his refusal to call women liars. Egnever Dec 2017 #24

He didn't grope everyone is another of those classic 60s-style attacks Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #28

Well I would say this statement erases any ambiguity. Egnever Dec 2017 #29

Trumpkins say a lot of things. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #16

So what's your argument? Denzil_DC Dec 2017 #48

Unless her body is actually facing to the left side of that pic... Orrex Nov 2017 #9

Her story isn't possible gratuitous Nov 2017 #17

I can guarantee you that unless she turned around.... quickesst Dec 2017 #27

More bullshit. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #12

Get your picture with any public figure, in public, and make an accusation against them. It's OnDoutside Nov 2017 #18

If I were a politician...I would refuse all pics from this day forward. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #42

Or at least hands joined in front of them. It's a sad world. OnDoutside Dec 2017 #43

Welcome to DU...also...oh and they have another anonymous report who is supposedly elected Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #15

He kissed her on the cheek Nevernose Dec 2017 #23

I am with you...these are right wing lies...and they just want to get rid of an effective Dem Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #41

So, let's say there is a sort-of celebrity(not a movie star)and you AJT Dec 2017 #26

such bs bdamomma Dec 2017 #36

Completely. dewsgirl Dec 2017 #38