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Ms. Toad

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28. According to the allegation,
Fri Dec 8, 2017, 06:12 PM
Dec 2017

She was asleep, and did not consent to the photo.

If that was me, and somoene used my sleeping body as a prop, to pretend to act like a jerk to get laughs, it would not matter to me that their intent was not to grope me or to actually be a jerk.

Using my body as a prop for a joke without my consent is not appropriate, and Franken properly apologized for it.

Who are they going to believe, Fox News or their lying eyes? underpants Dec 2017 #1
+1 K&R. However, Kelsey Grammar is a pretentious asshole. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #2
I had that thought too when I was writing it lol ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #3
You beat me to it. panader0 Dec 2017 #7
100% agree. dchill Dec 2017 #29
It only means rock Dec 2017 #35
It certainly is a portrayal misanthrope Dec 2017 #57
+1 re: Grammer. geardaddy Dec 2017 #42
My thought exactly. BHDem53 Dec 2017 #73
Isn't he also a Republican? Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #82
That's my recollection. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #86
gop hypocrisy? umm no its the dems dumping him. nt msongs Dec 2017 #4
Yes, it's ALL been ludicrous. NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #5
I'm so upset about this hit job on Franken suegeo Dec 2017 #91
I understand ... NanceGreggs Dec 2017 #94
Thank you suegeo Dec 2017 #98
Do you think Al would have the votes if he ran as an Independent next time? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #117
So now it was high-minded social commentary? CrowCity_Dem Dec 2017 #6
Use a canoe paddle. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #8
Hey I recognize you from another post about Al. LakeArenal Dec 2017 #9
It's just a coincidence, not an agenda Brother Buzz Dec 2017 #12
Saying what? LakeArenal Dec 2017 #15
You? Brother Buzz Dec 2017 #26
I'm pretty old Brother. Must have missed Bob. LakeArenal Dec 2017 #27
If you have some spare time, you might enjoy reading an old DU staple.... Brother Buzz Dec 2017 #31
I will. Thanks LakeArenal Dec 2017 #51
lol. ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #50
everybody gotta work somewhere questionseverything Dec 2017 #24
No it was a bad joke Egnever Dec 2017 #10
How about the OP: CrowCity_Dem Dec 2017 #16
We treat many things as a joke Egnever Dec 2017 #18
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that an alumnus of SNL would engage in sight gags and raunchy humor!!! Hekate Dec 2017 #23
From the video that I saw the guy that she did the lap dance on doc03 Dec 2017 #49
Wow, joined just to sow division Bettie Dec 2017 #63
HE'S DEAD??? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #11
Agreed pandr32 Dec 2017 #13
"assasination" brooklynite Dec 2017 #14
it is an image treestar Dec 2017 #22
I don't think you are accused of over the top writing ChubbyStar Dec 2017 #39
would you prefer "defenestration"? ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #41
I would. It's my favorite word. Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #71
It WAS done to Franken, politically. JHB Dec 2017 #118
Yes, it absolutely was. nt Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #120
Not that far off. Franken's political career is dead. brush Dec 2017 #53
Not by me. Franken 2020! nt Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #121
It was an assassination.. cannabis_flower Dec 2017 #64
Agreed on all points, and furthermore: Qutzupalotl Dec 2017 #17
Like some in this thread. nt Wednesdays Dec 2017 #19
thank you ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #43
And wasn't she pretending to be asleep snort Dec 2017 #52
That's what I want to know. Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #122
Down is up; Up is down. rainin Dec 2017 #20
Too subtle for the literal-minded treestar Dec 2017 #21
I don't think you wanna use Kelsey Grammar in your list. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #25
According to the allegation, Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #28
I'm sure Playboy had a signed release though. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #30
I hope you are not suggesting that consent in one sexually charged situation Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #34
No I am not. I am not convinced she was asleep, nor am I convinced she was not in on the gag. rzemanfl Dec 2017 #37
That has nothing to do with the point I was responding to - Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #38
The first thing I said was I am not convinced she was sleeping. The second thing I said was I was rzemanfl Dec 2017 #60
The OP I was responding to was only addressing Franken's behavior Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #66
There are so many threads they blur together. rzemanfl Dec 2017 #69
Somebody paid that girl a lot of money FakeNoose Dec 2017 #67
I take Breitbart/FOX allegations for what they're worth. dchill Dec 2017 #32
Yeah, but she also alleged he wrote the skit as an excuse to kiss her Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #33
Another point is that people who grope don't do it in front of others lunatica Dec 2017 #36
of course. an excellent and important point ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #46
All the accusations agaist him mainstreetonce Dec 2017 #80
Inappropriate contact happens in public. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #108
Not in my experience Pacifist Patriot Dec 2017 #107
That's a good point PatSeg Dec 2017 #40
However Al stated "she didn't have any ability to consent. She had every right to feel violated" wishstar Dec 2017 #44
Yes. Yes, he did. ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #47
So he was lying when he said she was asleep and unable to consent? Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #54
he was responding to her allegation by taking her claims seriously ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #61
No he explicitly stated that "she didn't have any ability to consent." Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #109
just because you don't understand it ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #113
Has any one ever seen Benny Hill LakeArenal Dec 2017 #56
i would bet that 99% of people who think benny hill is funny are teenage males. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2017 #105
Most of the soldiers at a USO show.... LakeArenal Dec 2017 #111
But you understand ... Whiskeytide Dec 2017 #70
Yes snort Dec 2017 #75
Oddly... tonedevil Dec 2017 #85
My theory - Someone was having a drink ... Whiskeytide Dec 2017 #97
The out for a drink... tonedevil Dec 2017 #100
You seem to have a false impression of the meaning of those words Nevernose Dec 2017 #96
exactly ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #102
Thank you so much for this post. scarletwoman Dec 2017 #45
And the alter zentrum Dec 2017 #48
Thanks for calling it what it is... workinclasszero Dec 2017 #55
No, actually he has been crucified on a cross of PatrickforO Dec 2017 #58
Agree. mn9driver Dec 2017 #77
And she's a Tweet friend of tRump Jr. for Pete's sake! ffr Dec 2017 #59
Occasional nuisance behavior is nowhere near years and years of sexual predation. ancianita Dec 2017 #62
And the altar of Liberal Purity. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #65
It's called "mugging" for the camera. trof Dec 2017 #68
would he grab a man's butt? or a child's butt? people clearly know what they think they can get away TheFrenchRazor Dec 2017 #106
A waste of time DeltaLitProf Dec 2017 #72
you are lying ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Dec 2017 #83
Correction - most of them are anonymous dansolo Dec 2017 #119
Like charging an actor with a crime a character commits McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #76
Except Kelsey Grammar isn't pretending. He IS a pompous (RW) @$$h**e. nt tblue37 Dec 2017 #78
In the other photo, their heads are not in the reflection behind them! L. Coyote Dec 2017 #79
+1 dalton99a Dec 2017 #110
I agree. It is important to be accurate about the accusation... tandem5 Dec 2017 #81
I'd been trying to put that same idea into words. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #84
Didn't he shoot the photo with Tweeden's cell phone? MrPurple Dec 2017 #87
Excellent post ProfessorPlum Dec 2017 #89
Plus hurple Dec 2017 #88
There were witnesses riverwalker Dec 2017 #90
You're overcomplicating it. It was just goofy. A goofy, staged, consensual promo shot. MrModerate Dec 2017 #92
When Tweeden came out with the original story riverwalker Dec 2017 #93
If only there could be an investigation to find out the answer to that! suegeo Dec 2017 #95
she backed off and said how she accepted the apology and didn't want him to resign JI7 Dec 2017 #124
Mocked groping. chowder66 Dec 2017 #99
It's all moot now HopeAgain Dec 2017 #101
He was the sacrificial lamb...nt Heartstrings Dec 2017 #103
You can't grope someone in a flak jacket. THAT was the joke. SargeXXX Dec 2017 #104
NO, he's being crucified by complicit dems for their own advancement. lark Dec 2017 #112
+1 oasis Dec 2017 #125
Nailed it except for one thing: RVN VET71 Dec 2017 #114
Yes, 1000x yes. Your humor analysis is spot on. n/t Beartracks Dec 2017 #115
" Kelsey Grammar pretending to be a pretentious asshole." its not so much pretending .... marble falls Dec 2017 #116
Good insight Raine Dec 2017 #123
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