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LBM20

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Sun Dec 10, 2017, 07:09 AM Dec 2017

The rush to judgement on Franken has BACKFIRED causing more problems in the party. DUMB CALL! [View all]

What a DUMB call Gillibrand and others made with their DUMB rush to judgement and lynch mobbing of Franken! Here is the great lesson: TAKE EACH SITUATION SEPARATELY AND STOP RUSHING TO JUDGEMENT!! Because here is what she and they have done:

1) Abandoned the great democratic principle of due process.

2) Allowed shady and WEAK allegations to pass for strong and credible allegations.

3) Allowed the EVIL of FALSE EQUIVALENCY to win the day. (Franken is NOT Trump and sure as hell is NOT Moore.)

4) Disregarded the STRONG EVIDENCE of some 20 women who worked with Franken for years and said he was NOT a sexual harasser and allowed that to get trumped (pun intended) by a some very weak allegations by confirmed right wingers.

5) Diminished REAL and CREDIBLE sexual harassment allegations.

6) Allowed a noble goal to degenerate into mob mentality.

7) Set up ANYONE who has ever done anything with a hint of off-coloredness many years ago to be labeled a sexual harasser who must be fired. Who the hell has ever led a perfect life? Who can pass this test?

8) Has now made it MANDATORY that they stand in front the cameras VERY SOON and strongly call for the resignation of Donald Trump, Roy Moore if he is elected, Clarence Thomas, and ANYONE on that side who now or in the past has been accused of sexual harassment or impropriety. And if they don't, then they become mega-hypocrites and weaklings. So we shall see on this one.

Bad call! What they could have done instead was stand in front of the cameras, said they don't tolerate sexual abuse or harassment, and said they would have a full ethics committee investigation which Franken has agreed to and if he is found in serious violation there would be consequences. Also say everyone gets due process and every situation is different. That is what they could have done. Instead, they went the lynchmob route and pissed off much their base in a big way causing needless gender divisions and other divisions in the party when we otherwise all agree that sexual abuse and harassment is very wrong and needs to be confronted. Fine. But then again, each situation is to be taken fairly and separately and not allowed to be swept down the rabbit hole of media frenzy and mob mentality. STUPID!

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actually i think there has been more unity among most democrats on how fucked up it was JI7 Dec 2017 #1
Unity there, but there are some who have also dug in on the other side. I see it on social media. LBM20 Dec 2017 #2
A minority compared to the numbers of people upset by what was done to Franken. OnDoutside Dec 2017 #3
Yes, I think most of us are more concerned with due process and actual justice PatrickforO Dec 2017 #102
+1 It's so close to the edge. OnDoutside Dec 2017 #106
Agreed.... FarPoint Dec 2017 #4
Most likely yes bench scientist Dec 2017 #26
That is true...not the kind of unity I wanted but... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #8
Evidence? brooklynite Dec 2017 #71
Anecdotal evidence JonAndKatePlusABird Dec 2017 #95
Sadly it was a unified "fuck this" and "I'm outta here" for many nt Kimchijeon Dec 2017 #91
They did the same with ACORN. The Wielding Truth Dec 2017 #5
They did. They cant fight rainy Dec 2017 #6
Yes. spicysista Dec 2017 #7
How many teaching moments do we need ornotna Dec 2017 #19
I understand the feeling.... spicysista Dec 2017 #24
If one side lies 90% of the time The Wizard Dec 2017 #45
Any polls done yet? janterry Dec 2017 #9
The Moore race isn't looking good FBaggins Dec 2017 #11
Franken's approval rating dropped from over 50% to mid 30s mythology Dec 2017 #61
Oh, well janterry Dec 2017 #62
i went thru the polls and found differently questionseverything Dec 2017 #113
I saw that MN poll too Lokilooney Dec 2017 #125
ethics committee work should be done in public from now on too questionseverything Dec 2017 #126
I think it is a wedge issue Jarqui Dec 2017 #10
Help Me Here People.... global1 Dec 2017 #20
There were eight and Google is your friend. Demit Dec 2017 #30
Let Google be your friend SHRED Dec 2017 #31
The second one riverwalker Dec 2017 #55
The others riverwalker Dec 2017 #57
But the one that was the final straw riverwalker Dec 2017 #58
Yes PatSeg Dec 2017 #60
Sadly, they must know that's what most Americans are paying attention to mchill Dec 2017 #77
True PatSeg Dec 2017 #83
THat's what my sister thought, and she is a progressive who is pretty tuned in. I gave Amaryllis Dec 2017 #98
And you can understand why this happens PatSeg Dec 2017 #116
Exactly. By comparison, Bush years were a drizzle and this is a tsunami. Amaryllis Dec 2017 #120
Ah, very apt analogy PatSeg Dec 2017 #128
We thought Bush was a lot to keep up with... Amaryllis Dec 2017 #139
And he was PatSeg Dec 2017 #140
That's LITERALLY what the Commission on Outrage used as a calculus. OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #92
Like a hand around one's waist PatSeg Dec 2017 #94
Very similar to Hillary's emails. All they had to do was say "more emails!" and the Amaryllis Dec 2017 #99
When I watched those women Senators True Blue American Dec 2017 #12
Republicans have two rules. SergeStorms Dec 2017 #135
All of this is true IF he didn't do what he was accused of FBaggins Dec 2017 #13
What would he be "actually guilty" of? n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #15
Being a comedian greymattermom Dec 2017 #17
Of being inappropriate and downright boorish. Chemisse Dec 2017 #33
So boorish he claimed an entire decade for himself. rzemanfl Dec 2017 #38
I know! I probably should've included that smilie as well. n/t Chemisse Dec 2017 #39
Lol. Nt BootinUp Dec 2017 #67
All of this is true REGARDLESS of Franken's guilt Martin Eden Dec 2017 #16
2,4, and 5 clearly aren't FBaggins Dec 2017 #44
He may be right about that. The righties would continue to create "set up" stories, which Amaryllis Dec 2017 #100
There was a time.... SergeStorms Dec 2017 #136
+100000000 Amaryllis Dec 2017 #138
If is the biggest word in the English language. Demit Dec 2017 #32
Dumb, maybe. But the Republicans are TRAITORS. McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #14
Well said greeny2323 Dec 2017 #18
Few will forget this loss - No Franken, no Obamacare... No Franken, No Mueller investigation... dalton99a Dec 2017 #51
What about abuse of power Deb Dec 2017 #21
Franken should switch partie spike91nz Dec 2017 #22
really?????? would respond more clearly but that would earn an alert for attacking dembotoz Dec 2017 #59
That doesn't seem plausible. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #84
Who said this? Renew Deal Dec 2017 #23
EXACTLY !! He should have said kacekwl Dec 2017 #28
No he shouldn't have. His response was classy. Chemisse Dec 2017 #35
I thought the sarcasm was obvious. kacekwl Dec 2017 #46
Always best to use the DU smiley as posted below... VOX Dec 2017 #54
I wasn't offended (although I guess you meant that sarcastically as well). n/t Chemisse Dec 2017 #66
Winning isn't everything in politics . . . it's the ONLY thing. MrModerate Dec 2017 #52
Thinking that "winning isn't the most important thing" is why Dems are always losing. nt Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #132
Indignant responses to your language in 5,4,3....n/t. rzemanfl Dec 2017 #41
Headline here raises the zentrum Dec 2017 #25
Good points SHRED Dec 2017 #34
Republicans repeal Social Security... BaileyBill Dec 2017 #27
One-size-fits-all justice - all crimes are equal - death to jaywalkers! dalton99a Dec 2017 #37
You left out "who are democrats." n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #42
+1 dalton99a Dec 2017 #48
NPR Roberts just commented on the problem delisen Dec 2017 #29
Don't forget Tom Perez SHRED Dec 2017 #36
re-post 90-percent Dec 2017 #40
We'll see. I know it's caused a problem with ME. But a correction to your post. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #43
I have not read anything that makes me think he is guilty either. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #47
Stupid, stupid, stupid. And these are the Dems we trust to push our agenda in Washington? MrModerate Dec 2017 #49
Thank you! blue cat Dec 2017 #50
Any bets Gillibrand will resign? TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #53
When Does Gillibrand come up for reelection? disndat Dec 2017 #118
She's up in 2018. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #122
Thought so True Blue American Dec 2017 #137
Ideological purity... Then some of them hugged a supposed sexual abuser keithbvadu2 Dec 2017 #56
Check out Gillibrand Facebook page PatSeg Dec 2017 #63
+1. Look quick before she erases them dalton99a Dec 2017 #64
I'm not 100% sure about this mchill Dec 2017 #78
Yeah PatSeg Dec 2017 #80
several accuse her of sexual assault questionseverything Dec 2017 #114
She'll scrub it, better take a look now. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #70
Yes PatSeg Dec 2017 #82
As usual, establishment Dems seem more obsessed with distancing themselves from their base Loubee Dec 2017 #65
Was This a Case of a Wealthy Donor Demanding to Get His Way? dlk Dec 2017 #68
Cloobeck blasted Dems for attacking millionaires and billionaires dalton99a Dec 2017 #69
Wow that Cloobeck is an asshole! Owl Dec 2017 #75
Okay so how are they going to respond to our disgust, the disgust of most dem voters? flamingdem Dec 2017 #72
I'm not being ignored - Joan Walsh blocked me on Twitter mchill Dec 2017 #81
He should have stood by his original comments randr Dec 2017 #73
Gingrich said Al was "lynched" Takket Dec 2017 #74
Yep. And it's not the "left" on this one, it's anyone flamingdem Dec 2017 #76
There were never going to kick Moore out to begin with. LisaL Dec 2017 #79
Bingo dalton99a Dec 2017 #85
I agree Katinfl Dec 2017 #119
Gillibrand Shoots Herself in the Foot disndat Dec 2017 #86
how stupid are they? Skittles Dec 2017 #104
And now opening up other Democrats to the same kind of scrutiny and divisiveness krispos42 Dec 2017 #87
Republicans are laughing their asses off dalton99a Dec 2017 #88
Look... floWteiuQ Dec 2017 #89
Agree with all eight points karin_sj Dec 2017 #90
This looks like a shit stirring troll post. Into the trash it goes. Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #93
In case you haven't noticed, the extreme majority here agrees with me. And I am a LIFELONG Dem. LBM20 Dec 2017 #123
I've noticed...believe me I've noticed. It actually reminds me of the JPR people..it's insanity Kirk Lover Dec 2017 #127
Brilliant! McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #130
I think the Democrats did the right thing. lancelyons Dec 2017 #96
And accomplished what? Weakened us in Congress, made us look like suckers to the RW. Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #133
The dumb call was Frankens decision Sienna86 Dec 2017 #97
it was tweedens LIE about the photo that did the damage. blimablam Dec 2017 #107
No. As a woman it offends me. Sienna86 Dec 2017 #117
Your last paragraph is exactly what the Democratic Party leadership should PatrickforO Dec 2017 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Dec 2017 #103
I've learned something underthematrix Dec 2017 #105
Only with DownriverDem Dec 2017 #108
I'd add #9 to this list radhika Dec 2017 #109
#9, Clementine saidsimplesimon Dec 2017 #110
Not to mention painting the Democratic Party as hyper-reactionaries, KPN Dec 2017 #111
Democratic Faux News Equals moonseller66 Dec 2017 #112
We are loading the gun and raising our foot. demosincebirth Dec 2017 #115
Franken needed to deny the claims against him Progressive dog Dec 2017 #121
He did but tried to do it in a very respectful way, as he said in his speech on the Senate floor. LBM20 Dec 2017 #124
The ghost of Rolande Barthes is demanding that I analyze this thread McCamy Taylor Dec 2017 #129
RE: "lynching" & Divide and Conquer Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #134
This incident quite possibly marks the beginning of the end of the Democratic party. Binkie The Clown Dec 2017 #131
Agreed Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2017 #141
You know the easy way to atone is for all those senators to call for Trump to step down now... Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #142
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