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krispos42

(49,445 posts)
64. I'm saying it could be done.
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:57 AM
Jul 2012

A half or two-thirds empty movie theater, a loud action movie, and I'll bet a determined individual could kill 12 people without raising an alarm. So a victim kicks... as long as it's not directly into an occupied seat's back, nobody will bother to turn around. And half the time not even then!


Is it as easy as simply walking in with a rifle or handgun and spraying bullets or a shotgun and spraying pellets? No. Can it be done? Yes.


Somewhere in Asia recently there was a guy that killed I believe 7 people with a kitchen knife simply by going berserk in a crowd on a subway platform or someplace similar.



But let's get to brass tacks here. The opinions expressed on DU seem to be that NOBODY should have access to a gun that can be used to commit mass murder. So then many people on DU seem to be willing to go to extremes to stop a low-probability event from occurring. Remember, we're a nation of 310 million people, of which a handful per year go off the deep and and commit mass murder.

The problem is that the country is full of guns, pretty much all of which can be used to commit mass murder (defined as 5 or more killed in a single incident). So, what to do? Outlaw everything except single-breech muzzleloading guns?

Obviously not feasible.

I have no easy solution for mass killings; these are extremely low-probability events to the point that each one is unique.

On the hand, our homicide rate has plummeted the last 20 years, despite more and better guns, better aiming systems, and better (deadlier) ammunition. Despite a very slight increase in mass murders, far fewer people are being killed per year. Is that an acceptable tradeoff?



As you can see in this chart, single-victim homicides account for between 98 and 95% of homicides regardless of the number of homicides per year. So are things even worse, or are they just more senseless?


Something else which worries me is that unstable mass-murders might begin playing with home-made explosives instead of buying guns. Not only are explosives more deadly (witness Oklahoma City), but when bomb-makers are experimenting with their deadly devices, they often times blow themselves and their families and neighbors into little tiny pieces.

Tweet of the day (Guns) [View all] sellitman Jul 2012 OP
We're #1! We're #1! JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #1
USA! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! Scuba Jul 2012 #2
K&R 99Forever Jul 2012 #3
Fuck the NRA flamingdem Jul 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #9
Gee, that's weird permatex Jul 2012 #12
Who says only the U.S. government gets to say? Hissyspit Jul 2012 #13
He says it is a terrorist org. permatex Jul 2012 #14
I don't know. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #21
Well... I'd wonder how this stacks up in the homeland security department. calimary Jul 2012 #27
Excellent post. thucythucy Jul 2012 #48
Your arguing from emotion, not from fact permatex Jul 2012 #53
That doesn't mean we'll give up trying, permatex. calimary Jul 2012 #57
Only if you go back to the quill and ink used in that time. permatex Jul 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #39
Just countering you false statements. permatex Jul 2012 #41
Neither have I. But I *do* have an *opinion* on the matter. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #15
God save us from the day stating simple fact is "sticking up for the Right Wing" Bucky Jul 2012 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #40
Why does it sound like a freeper forum there? permatex Jul 2012 #43
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #44
That's it? That's all you got? permatex Jul 2012 #45
Just as I thought permatex Jul 2012 #50
I am surprised it is that high in Germany tandot Jul 2012 #5
Perhaps some of that number were American armed services people. A Simple Game Jul 2012 #7
Germany has 80 plus million people thucythucy Jul 2012 #49
I live in Germany DFW Jul 2012 #63
That is interesting. I didn't know that. tandot Jul 2012 #68
They went too far, too fast DFW Jul 2012 #69
How very, very sad. polmaven Jul 2012 #6
Gun love is akin to another fundamentalist religion in this country. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #8
I agree sellitman Jul 2012 #46
American Exceptionalism ErikJ Jul 2012 #10
God damn. Bertha Venation Jul 2012 #11
Keep up the good work!! ramikin Jul 2012 #16
9,484 gun deaths in the US = "Good Work" to you? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #18
In the past 20 years it's dropped by half. krispos42 Jul 2012 #25
Wow, look at that big drop in the 90's... Scootaloo Jul 2012 #26
Roe vs. Wade krispos42 Jul 2012 #28
The argument that women have been aborting violent criminals for the last 40 years undeterred Jul 2012 #51
Which is far more plausable than saying the Assault Weapons Ban did anything krispos42 Jul 2012 #61
I'm trying to figure out if you're yanking my chain Scootaloo Jul 2012 #56
Low unemployment rate? Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2012 #54
I don't think you can link the lapse of the assault weapons ban to the drop in gun deaths. Bucky Jul 2012 #22
I dunno... I see some pretty good evidence that it is happening quakerboy Jul 2012 #37
... Bucky Jul 2012 #38
Mathematical proof that we are drowning in Star Trek phasers? chknltl Jul 2012 #55
Maybe we're just better shots than all those other countries. tclambert Jul 2012 #17
Too many guns in the hands of too many idiots magic59 Jul 2012 #19
The stupid, it burns. krispos42 Jul 2012 #23
Try murdering 12 people and injuring 59 with a knife. Just sayin'. nt laundry_queen Jul 2012 #30
A movie theater and an icepick. krispos42 Jul 2012 #31
You're just being silly now MattBaggins Jul 2012 #34
I am being serious. krispos42 Jul 2012 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #42
That scenario would assume one person per row Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #52
I'm saying it could be done. krispos42 Jul 2012 #64
Intentional homicide rate in the US is four or five times that of Europe Spider Jerusalem Jul 2012 #32
Still, our non-gun homicide rate is as high or higher than their total homicide rate krispos42 Jul 2012 #33
Yes...a rope, the weapon of choice of most mass murderers.... sellitman Jul 2012 #47
A logical leap that I never made. krispos42 Jul 2012 #62
The NRA is so saturated with Fear Freak Overcompensators Berlum Jul 2012 #24
total scardey cats Lex Jul 2012 #59
This makes sense because there are absolutely no other differences 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #29
No one claimed there was no difference. nt Lex Jul 2012 #60
By making a direct comparison and blaming precisely 1 variable 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #65
So your theory is everyone thinks all those countries are precisely Lex Jul 2012 #66
I believe people will conveniently ignore those differences 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #67
Checking the numbers quakerboy Jul 2012 #36
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