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Response to Edweird (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:21 PM

90. I am not arguing for any political action. It is counter productive.



I am just pointing out that you and the others who make similar points congratulate yourself on 'winning' arguments by immersing yourself in munitions munitae and you think you have accomplished something.

There are rifles that are suitable for hunting. Keep them legal and encourage education and we have 100% agreement.

There are handguns that people wish to own for person protection. Keep them legal and encourage education and safety. Allow impacted cities to control the quantity per owner.

That now covers all that is needed to fulfill any explicit or implicit constitutional right to own a firearm.

Recreational firearms, like other weapons including machine guns, bazookas, anti tank missles or hand held stinger missles do not have any constitutional right for individual ownership.

I understand that some people are devoted to having exotic firearms, but there is no constitutional argument that could support it as a right. I would have no problem with restricted commercial sites where people could go and exercise their devotion to that.

Before you further trivalize the argument with all of you banal trivialities about the definition of weapons is this one clearly stated principle:

There is no constitutional right and no individual need for any civilian to be carrying around any weapon that can discharge dozens, let alone hundreds of bullets in one minute. None. You may be devoted to it. You may worship it like a religion but you cannot rationally justify it and other countries, like Switzerland, that have high percentages of individual gun ownership consider your position to be a kind of insanity, I know because I have lived there. No one in the civilized world agrees with the idea that a civilian should have the ability to whip out a weapon that can dischage hundreds of rounds in a minute.

Keep your banal weapons definitions to the gun worshiping club and try not to keep trivializing the point.

Beyond the issue of personal weapons is the ability to own weapons that have the capacity to kill a hundred people in a few minutes. If his weapons hadn't jammed we might not have 72 wounded but 100 dead.

Yes it cost Democrats the Congress. So did backing Civil Rights Act of 1964. It gave us Richard Nixon.

So we have learned from it. We aren't going to do it at this time.

Do you know how this is going to end?

Someday some guy's clip isn't going to jam. He may have a buddy. There aren't going to be dozens of wounded there is going to be more than a hundred fatalities and then all of the phony banal obfuscations will melt away. I just wish that it would occur at a site where all of the victims support that right and not at a movie theatre, or a hospital or a work place.

Slavery lasted a long time too. All attempts to fix it by legislation were well defeated. Eventually they had to come into conflict and with the shelling of Fort Sumter the issue was finally engaged.

Eventually there will be a body count that will make the country retch and then the trivial, banal and idiotic arguments over the exact definition of 'an assault weapon' and 'a hunting rifle' and a 'machine gun' will be gone and any weapon that discharges hundreds of rounds in a New York Minute will be history.

That is why gun control advocates don't bother with legislation now, they know it is simply a matter of time.

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