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Judi Lynn

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32. He understood the evidence of his own eyes, like the Colombian paramilitaries they found hiding
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 12:14 AM
Feb 2015

at a ranch near Caracas, owned by the Cuban "exile" creep Roberto Alonso, living in barracks, preparing for an attack on Miraflores, to kill Chavez, and seize control of the government:


The Venezuelan elite imports soldiers
by Marta Harnecker
May 23, 2004

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Since 'the conspiracies against Venezuela do not end with the capture of mercenaries in Caracas,' there must be many other infiltrators in other areas of the country; since this is not an isolated action, but one whose efforts to stop the process continue, one can reach but only one conclusion: it is necessary to prepare oneself for self-defense. This is why the President considered it opportune to take advantage of the occasion and to announce three strategic lines for defending the country. The most radical proposal was a call for the population to massively participate in the defense of the nation.

A week earlier, on the 9th of May, on the outskirts of Caracas, a paramilitary force was discovered, dressed in field uniforms. Later, more were found, raising the total to 130, leaving open the possibility that there are still more in the country. The three Colombian paramilitary leaders of the group are members of the Autonomous Self-Defense Forces (AUC) in Northern Santander state in Colombia.

Some of the captured Colombian fighters have a long history as members of paramilitary forces. Others are reservists of the Colombian army and yet others were specifically recruited for the task in Venezuela and were surely tricked. Among these there are several who are minors.

A colonel of the Venezuelan air force was also detained, as well as seven officers of the National Guard. Among those implicated in the plot is a group of civilians headed by the Cuban Roberto Alonso, creator of the 'guarimbas,'<1> and Gustavo Quintero Machado, a Venezuelan, both who are currently wanted by the Venezuelan justice system.

What the real objectives were is now being discussed. One of them could have been to steal weapons so as to then attack the Miraflores presidential palace and President Chavez himself.

The government denounced the existence of an international plot in which the governments of the United States and of Colombian would be involved. U.S. Ambassador Shapiro denied that his country had any participation in the incident. And the Colombian president, for his part, solidarized himself with the Venezuelan government, affirming that he supports its actions against the members of the irregular Colombian military group, which then caused Chavez to publicly announce that he was convinced that President Alvaro Uribe did not have anything to do with the plot, even though he insisted on leveling charges against a Colombian general by the name of Carreño.

Even though the oppositional media conducted a big campaign to minimize the issue, trying to accuse the government of having organized a montage, so as to have a pretext for taking forceful measures that would impede a confrontation at the voting booth, every day more evidence surfaces that confirm the official version.

The Colombian attorney general's office has evidence that proves that paramilitary fighters were recruited and then transported to Venezuela and that extreme right-wing groups infiltrated intelligence services in the border town of Cúcuta. The proof was shown on the news program 'The Independent Network.' The program broadcast some intercepted recordings of paramilitary soldiers in Cúcuta, in which the operations they carried out in Venezuelan territory are reviewed.

More:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=5579

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Colombian paramilitaries captured at a ranch owned by Cuban right-wing “exile” Roberto Alonso[/center]
January 25, 2005

The Granda Kidnapping Explodes
The US / Colombia Plot Against Venezuela
By JAMES PETRAS

A major diplomatic and political conflict has exploded between Colombia and Venezuela after the revelation of a Colombian government covert operation in Venezuela, involving the recruitment of Venezuelan military and security officers in the kidnapping of a Colombian leftist leader. Following an investigation by the Venezuelan Ministry of Interior and reports and testimony from journalists and other knowledgeable political observers it was determined that the highest echelons of the Colombian government, including President Uribe, planned and executed this onslaught on Venezuelan sovereignty.

Once direct Colombian involvement was established, the Venezuelan government demanded a public apology from the Colombian government while seeking a diplomatic solution by blaming Colombian Presidential advisers. The Colombian regime took the offensive, launching an aggressive defense of its involvement in the violation of Venezuelan sovereignty and, beyond that, seeking to establish in advance, under the rationale of "national security" the legitimacy of future acts of aggression. As a result President Chavez has recalled the Venezuelan Ambassador from Bogota, suspended all state-to-state commercial and political agreements pending an official state apology. In response the US Government gave unconditional support to Colombian violation of Venezuelan sovereignty and urged the Uribe regime to push the conflict further. What began as a diplomatic conflict over a specific incident has turned into a major, defining crises in US and Latin American political relations with potentially explosive military, economic and political consequences for the entire region.

In justifying the kidnapping of Rodrigo Granda, the Colombian leftist leader, the Uribe regime has promulgated a new foreign policy doctrine which echoes that of the Bush Administration: the right of unilateral intervention in any country in which the Colombian government perceives or claims is harboring or providing refuge to political adversaries (which the regime labels as "terrorists&quot which might threaten the security of the state. The Uribe doctrine of unilateral intervention echoes the preventive war speech, enunciated in late 2001 by President Bush. Clearly Uribe's action and pronouncement is profoundly influenced by the dominance that Washington exercises over the Uribe regime's policies through its extended $3 billion dollar military aid program and deep penetration of the entire political-defense apparatus.

Uribe's offensive military doctrine involves several major policy propositions:

1.) The right to violate any country's sovereignty, including the use of force and violence, directly or in cooperation with local mercenaries.

2.) The right to recruit and subvert military and security officials to serve the interests of the Colombian state.

3.) The right to allocate funds to bounty hunters or "third parties" to engage in illegal violent acts within a target country.

4.) The assertion of the supremacy of Colombian laws, decrees and policies over and against the sovereign laws of the intervened country
More:
http://www.counterpunch.org/petras01252005.html

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Published on Monday, May 17,
by the Agence France Presse
Thousands Protest Colombian Paramilitary Presence in Venezuela
Chavez to Set up 'People's Militia'

President Hugo Chavez announced his government would establish "people's militias" to counter what he called foreign interference after an alleged coup plot by Colombian paramilitaries Caracas claims was financed by Washington.

Chavez also said he would boost the strength of Venezuela's armed forces as part of a new "anti-imperialist" phase for his government.

"Each and every Venezuelan man and woman must consider themselves a soldier," said Chavez.

"Let the organization of a popular and military orientation begin from today."

The president's announcement came a week after authorities arrested 88 people described as Colombian paramilitaries holed up on property belonging to a key opposition figure.

More:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0517-04.htm

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12.30pm update

Colombian paramilitaries arrested in Venezuela

Jeremy Lennard and agencies
Monday May 10, 2004

Venezuelan police have arrested more than 70 Colombian paramilitary fighters who were allegedly plotting to strike against the government in Caracas, according to the country's president, Hugo Chávez.
Opposition leaders, however, were quick to dismiss the president's claim, calling the raids on a farm less than 10 miles from the capital a ruse to divert attention from their efforts to oust Mr Chávez in a recall vote.

During his weekly radio and TV broadcast, Hello Mr President, Mr Chávez said that 53 paramilitary fighters were arrested at the farm early on Sunday and another 24 were picked up after fleeing into the countryside.
The country's security forces were uncovering additional clues and searching for more suspects, he said, adding that the arrests were proof of a conspiracy against his government involving Cuban and Venezuelan exiles in Florida and neighbouring Colombia.

More:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/may/10/venezuela.jeremylennard

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Three Venezuelan Officers and 27 Colombians Sentenced for Assassination Plot

A Venezuelan military court sentenced three Venezuelan military officers and 27 Colombians to two to nine years of prison for plotting an assault on Venezuela’s presidential palace and the assassination of President Hugo Chavez.Another 73 Colombians and 3 Venezuelan officers, who had also been suspected of participating in the plot, were freed after spending 17 months in prison.

118 Colombians were captured in May 2004 on a ranch just outside of Caracas, wearing Venezuelan military fatigues. Many of them appeared to be Colombian paramilitary fighters who had been recruited for a mission in Venezuela to attack the Chavez government and to kill the president. Six Venezuelan officers were also arrested in the course of the investigation.

Some of the Colombians were peasants who had been lured to come to Venezuela with the promise of jobs. Upon arriving, though, they were forced to engage in paramilitary training exercises and were forbidden to leave the ranch. 18 of the Colombians were released immediately after the capture and returned to Colombia because they were minors between 15 and 17 years. The ranch belongs to Roberto Alonso, a prominent Cuban-Venezuelan opposition activist. The highest level officer to be sentenced was General Ovidio Poggioli, who had been charged with military rebellion and was sentenced to 2 years and ten months of prison. The other two Venezuelan officers are Colonel Jesús Farias Rodríguez and Captain Rafael Farias Villasmil, who were each sentenced to nine years of prison. The 27 Colombians were each sentenced to six years prison.

When the group of Colombians were first arrested, many opposition leaders argued that the government had staged the arrests, in order to make the opposition look bad. They pointed out that no weapons were found with the paramilitary fighters and that the whole operation looked far too amateurish to have any chance of success. Also, it was argued that it is practically impossible to transport 120 Colombian paramilitary fighters undetected all the way from Colombia to Caracas, considering that there are numerous military control points along the way.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article130297.html

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Venezuela's Chavez pardons Colombian prisoners accused in plot
By Fabiola Sanchez

ASSOCIATED PRESS

3:11 p.m. August 30, 2007

CARACAS, Venezuela – President Hugo Chavez on Thursday pardoned dozens of Colombians imprisoned in Venezuela on charges of involvement in an alleged 2004 plot against his government.
The order to free the 41 prisoners took effect with its publication in the government's official gazette, dismissing their convictions on charges of military rebellion.

Chavez announced his decision to free the prisoners last week as a goodwill gesture during his efforts to help broker an unrelated prisoner and hostage exchange between Colombia's government and leftist rebels.

In May 2004, 118 Colombians were arrested at a ranch outside Caracas. Authorities said they were wearing Venezuelan military uniforms and were suspected of belonging to paramilitary group that was plotting to create chaos in the country and assassinate Chavez.

More:
http://legacy.utsandiego.com/news/world/20070830-1511-venezuela-colombia.html

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[font size=5]Uribe admits anti-Chavez plot planned in Colombia[/font]

AFP, SANTA MARTA, COLOMBIA
Monday, Dec 19, 2005, Page 7

Venezuelan former soldiers plotted against President Hugo Chavez's government at a Colombian military building, Colombian President Alvaro Uribe said.

Uribe made the stunning disclosure on Saturday at the Caribbean resort town of Santa Marta where he is meeting with Chavez, and after analyzing documents furnished by Chavez.

"The Venezuelan soldiers who are in Bogota went to a building to meet with members of the Colombian military. President Chavez gave us these documents ... we analyzed them and this morning I said to President Chavez: `I must tell you the truth: this is a building of Colombia's public forces,'" he said.

Uribe said that intelligence efforts against the Venezuelan government are conducted in the building, and took full responsibility for the affair.

The two presidents met for six hours amid a climate of unusual goodwill on Saturday to discuss the purported Bogota-based conspiracy against the Venezuelan president, which Chavez first disclosed to his Colombian counterpart during a meeting in Venezuela on Nov. 24.

Seven Venezuelans involved in a 48-hour coup against Chavez in April 2002 have been linked to the new plot. Businessman Pedro Carmona, leader of the failed military-civilian coup, enjoys political asylum in Colombia, where he is working as a university professor.

Uribe refused asylum to six Venezuelan soldiers involved in the coup but gave them permission to live in Colombia while they look for safe haven in another country.

He said on Saturday that he takes responsibility for the events.

More:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3291580
Tin-horn autocratic thug gotta get his thug on. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #1
Arrest coincides with the currency devaluation to 172 Bs to the dollar from 6.3 Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #2
Uh, dumb question. Why doesn't VZ do a Greek style 'out of my face' routine? If the USA or whoever freshwest Feb 2015 #38
the US and Colombia are Ven's largest trading partners in that order Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #59
Maduro is losing control hack89 Feb 2015 #3
or simply trying to take complete control. Machado, opposition figure, is next n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #4
It is hard to see the military standing behind him hack89 Feb 2015 #5
Why are you mocking him for having been poor enough to work as us driver as a young man? Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #10
I think the point is that as a bus driver christx30 Feb 2015 #13
Many people believed he was chosen since he was the Vice President to Chavez. Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #22
He was chosen by Cuba while Chavez was on life support or already dead. MADem Feb 2015 #55
How odd, passing on right-wing rumors Chavez actually died in Cuba. Where is your proof? n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #73
How odd, making accusations just because I don't agree with your fact-free versions of MADem Feb 2015 #75
So was he qualified to be vice president? christx30 Feb 2015 #56
Who are you to tell the people of Venezuela their choice doesn't work for you? Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #76
Maduro is not Chavez, and anyone who suggests he is insults Chavez. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #81
Everything you just said about Hugo Chavez was used for attacks here,day in,day out by rw trolls. Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #84
But do you have any hard evidence that the US is fomenting a coup GGJohn Feb 2015 #87
Do you think if other countries had "hard evidence" the US was fomenting the coups Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #96
So you have no proof, right? GGJohn Feb 2015 #98
At the same time, people who defend the imprisoning of journalists and elected officials geek tragedy Feb 2015 #88
Finally someone who says it! Marksman_91 Feb 2015 #100
If the guy was plotting with a foreign government for an armed coup, that would be worthy of an geek tragedy Feb 2015 #101
Sounds like you're the hate-filled troll Zorro Feb 2015 #106
Here's how the Venezuelan right-wing showed its appreciation of the people's elected Pres. Chavez. Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #104
Everyone has a right to criticize christx30 Feb 2015 #105
Just wondering, when you say "right-wing," does that include the more than 7 million who... Marksman_91 Feb 2015 #108
I am talking about the attitudes of the Venezulan military leadership hack89 Feb 2015 #14
You would appreciate someone having a great hoot over your father's occupation as a young man? Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #17
The Venezuelan military has a long history of supporting the oligarchs and massacring the poor hack89 Feb 2015 #18
I thought you indicated the military supported Chavez because he, too, had been military. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #21
That too. But he certainly did not take that loyalty for granted. hack89 Feb 2015 #23
He understood the evidence of his own eyes, like the Colombian paramilitaries they found hiding Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #32
The Venezuelan military is prominently featured in your post hack89 Feb 2015 #33
That is the COLOMBIAN paramilitaries, or didn't you notice? Colombian. Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #35
So you show how the Venezuelan military were active members of the plot hack89 Feb 2015 #42
You are hallucinating. I can't do anything about that. You're simply determined to get the last word Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #77
Did you even read you own links? Here, let me help. hack89 Feb 2015 #79
People for sale to the opposition do not represent the military. Period. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #86
That still does not make the possibility of a military coup go away. hack89 Feb 2015 #89
In the batter's circle .... Diosdado Cabello...?????? MADem Feb 2015 #54
How many of Maduro's thugs have Cuban accents, I wonder? MADem Feb 2015 #53
What a whopper. Even you wouldn't be able to swallow that. Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #78
"That's not happening. We all know it. How pathetic." EX500rider Feb 2015 #109
It sure feels like Venezuela is teetering on the edge. Adrahil Feb 2015 #6
I think this is more of a response to a potential loss of control. joshcryer Feb 2015 #37
"Unless Obama arrests Republicans on trumped up christx30 Feb 2015 #46
And the next VZ election isnt far away. Wonder whats still to come? nt 7962 Feb 2015 #112
Well, if Maduro arrests his political opponents for christx30 Feb 2015 #113
Agreed. 7962 Feb 2015 #114
A magic 8 ball could run Venezuela better than Maduro FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #57
Jeez Louise another alleged coup plot? So far he's been threatened by the following: Jake Stern Feb 2015 #7
You forgot the Pharmacists. n/t christx30 Feb 2015 #8
Crap! Jake Stern Feb 2015 #30
vampires too, really cnn Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #9
Do yourself the honor of getting informed on US/Latin American history. Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #11
you just described yourself n/t Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #12
That was a mature post, wasn't it? n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #16
If anything, it was accurate. Throd Feb 2015 #19
You just blew up my Irony Meter. GGJohn Feb 2015 #20
You just broke my irony meter. nt hack89 Feb 2015 #15
It was probably as broke as your political compass reddread Feb 2015 #49
Right. Because criticizing heavy handed tactics by authoritarian leaders hack89 Feb 2015 #50
warrentless surveillance must really bother you reddread Feb 2015 #51
I hate it. The Patriot Act is an abomination. nt hack89 Feb 2015 #52
LOL, GGJohn Feb 2015 #60
Venezuelan Opposition Leaders Released 'Transition' Statement polly7 Feb 2015 #24
What is wrong with a manifesto for peaceful change? hack89 Feb 2015 #25
Pardon me, Polly. I needed to mention the Democratic leadership isn't working with another country Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #26
Because of Chile in 1973 right? Nt hack89 Feb 2015 #27
So the CIA, etc. plotted kidnappings, murders, "made the economy scream" as Nixon demanded, Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #34
So an event 40 years ago is "proof" that we are doing it again? hack89 Feb 2015 #41
It's proof they can and will do it whenever they want. Why would they stop? Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #82
So "they", meaning President Obama, are trapped in a 50 year policy with no choice at all. hack89 Feb 2015 #83
She's been asked that many times and the usual GGJohn Feb 2015 #85
its not like anyone is still listening to Henry Kissinger reddread Feb 2015 #47
Shit that happened over 40 years ago in Venezuela GGJohn Feb 2015 #61
facts not required. reddread Feb 2015 #68
Something you would intimately know about. GGJohn Feb 2015 #69
40 years ago in VZ? reddread Feb 2015 #71
One person seems worried about the situation in Venezuela, especially concerning Ledezma's arrest Marksman_91 Feb 2015 #70
Chavez: Bush should resign as president Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #29
well, lets take a look at the actual statement from the same link shall we? Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #28
So where in that Manifesto is there a call for the overthrow of the govt? GGJohn Feb 2015 #64
Bill Clinton asks for release of Lopez (imprisoned) and other political prisoners in Ven Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #31
Only MCM and Capriles left. joshcryer Feb 2015 #36
the new Dirty War quadrature Feb 2015 #39
The Dirty War was supported by the United States, as Argentina tortured then "disappeared" 30,000 Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #40
This will be a homegrown dirty war. hack89 Feb 2015 #43
A homegrown dirty war. They'll need the help of the U.S. to pull that off, won't they, soothsayer? Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #91
Or Cuba's. hack89 Feb 2015 #93
Or Iran's, or Cuba's. eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #95
John Pilger Interviewed by Michael Albert polly7 Feb 2015 #44
So, a lot of unfounded accusations, GGJohn Feb 2015 #63
Great news! polly7 Feb 2015 #45
Our US tax dollars at work. It was budgeted and now they spent it. fasttense Feb 2015 #58
I suppose you have a link to any evidence that the US is fomenting GGJohn Feb 2015 #62
So Maduro's incompetence is all an act and he is really taking our money to wreck VZ? hack89 Feb 2015 #65
"..and capitalism just ain't working anymore." EX500rider Feb 2015 #110
Is he up for re-election soon? If I recall correctly, hughee99 Feb 2015 #48
The next election for Caracas mayor will be in 2016. Last one was in 2012. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #90
Nope, he was re-elected in December of 2013 and who knows when the next real Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #92
Thanks for the right info. I missed something, clearly. Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #94
Nope, keep tryng. Maduro's election was Mar or Apr, Ledezma was re-elected in December Bacchus4.0 Feb 2015 #97
And she claims that we don't know what we're talking about? GGJohn Feb 2015 #99
Glad to see how you yourself are more informed than "LatAm activist" Judy Marksman_91 Feb 2015 #102
All you guys so obsessed with Maduro's "incompetence"... Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #66
More like de-constructing socialism. eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #72
He is the bad example of socialism the right wing uses now. FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #74
actually, yes. For all of his occasional buffoonery and occasional missteps, Chavez was managing geek tragedy Feb 2015 #80
Maduro and co. are getting very desperate Marksman_91 Feb 2015 #67
Interesting comment on Mayor Ledezma by Hugo Chavez. Also, graphic images of El Caracazo massacre. Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #103
Fascinating. polly7 Feb 2015 #111
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #107
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