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benEzra

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11. That's what the Third Way said in 1994, 1996, 2000, and 2004, too.

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 20, 2015, 02:16 PM

Jun 2015

And support for new restrictions on lawful ownership is lower now than it was then.

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Hillary Rodham Clinton makes stirring plea for gun control [View all] pnwmom Jun 2015 OP

Well, I guess we should start planning for 2020 Reter Jun 2015 #1

She's not going to lose any voters by supporting gun control and by speaking out pnwmom Jun 2015 #2

Exactly right. nt onehandle Jun 2015 #3

That's what the Third Way said in 1994, 1996, 2000, and 2004, too. benEzra Jun 2015 #11

It didn't stop Obama in 2008 and 2012. Funny you skipped those elections. pnwmom Jun 2015 #18

And what new Federal gun controls do we have now because of those elections? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #25

We need a more progressive Congress for that. But leadership from the President pnwmom Jun 2015 #31

You know you (and we) could help all our causes along by electing a Democratic Congress instead of Hekate Jun 2015 #38

Obama pointedly disavowed gun control during his campaigns. Xithras Jun 2015 #63

This is 7 years later and much has happened in the interim. I think more people pnwmom Jun 2015 #66

National polling consistently disagrees with you. Xithras Jun 2015 #68

Americans are divided on the subject, but many support stronger gun control laws. pnwmom Jun 2015 #70

Gun control laws do not necessitate seizure Starboard Tack Jun 2015 #94

Obama spent a whole lot of effort in 2008 reassuring voters he would *not* go after gun owners benEzra Jun 2015 #82

Good for her. DCBob Jun 2015 #4

Look out! Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #5

It was powerful gwheezie Jun 2015 #6

I support Sanders, but I give credit where credit is due Bjorn Against Jun 2015 #7

I support HRC but gwheezie Jun 2015 #8

I agree that either of them will be easy to support in the general election. nt pnwmom Jun 2015 #10

I support both rock Jun 2015 #23

Excellent--we need to back her up. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #9

Hillary supported lots of senseless gun violence in the Middle East. Beauregard Jun 2015 #12

Perhaps Bernie could learn from her and O'Malley on the issue of gun control. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #13

Perhaps Hillary could learn something from them about US foreign intervention. Beauregard Jun 2015 #14

Because they have so much experience in foreign policy, right? leftofcool Jun 2015 #15

Hillary was never allowed into Obama's foreign policy circle. Beauregard Jun 2015 #16

Hillary has apologized for her mistake in voting for the IWR. pnwmom Jun 2015 #17

If one considers the Secretary of State outside Obama's foreign policy circle The Second Stone Jun 2015 #20

Obama relied on the NSC, and Hillary was not included in their inner deliberations. Beauregard Jun 2015 #27

Refer to posts 7, 8, 10, & 23 Z_California Jun 2015 #32

I meant to suggest that you were possibly a Republican paid shill The Second Stone Jun 2015 #44

That's the kind of personal attack that people use when they can't defend their position. Beauregard Jun 2015 #87

Nope, she was not in the room for crucial decisions. Divernan Jun 2015 #45

The Secretary of State is a statutory member of the NSC, so Hillary was very much a part of their 24601 Jun 2015 #84

Read the article. Beauregard Jun 2015 #85

I read it and judged it pure BS. The writer showed no knowledge of the IPC - DC - PC process and 24601 Jun 2015 #89

:) Rossi Jun 2015 #90

Your word, not mine. n/t 24601 Jun 2015 #95

Sanders has voted for every single appropriations bill okasha Jun 2015 #49

He voted against the Iraq War. Beauregard Jun 2015 #86

Kick and highly recommended! William769 Jun 2015 #19

Awakening Plucketeer Jun 2015 #21

I concur, 100% heaven05 Jun 2015 #39

I would expect 2017 to be a record setting year madville Jun 2015 #22

Go Hillary!!!! n/t cosmicone Jun 2015 #24

Hillary continues to hit the issues that were most important to me. She gets it. Sancho Jun 2015 #26

Do you get it? DrBulldog Jun 2015 #42

It's clear to me (and Hillary) that a bunch of "specifics" are irrelevant!!! Sancho Jun 2015 #48

Except there are 300 Million interpretations of what "Common snese Gun Control Means" One_Life_To_Give Jun 2015 #28

Bingo peacebird Jun 2015 #51

Amazing how few pick up on this excruciatingly obvious point. NT pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #81

yeah this is another non answer by a slick politician. a typical Hillary speech Doctor_J Jun 2015 #91

K&R. lunamagica Jun 2015 #29

Bernie Sanders sent an email urging donations to the Charleston AME Church I'm a Sanders supporter. bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #30

What are "common sense reforms"? former9thward Jun 2015 #33

Open Carry. So the good people can take down the bad people. nm progree Jun 2015 #41

Those convicted of violent felonies should be required to pass a 4 hour responsible gun ownership progree Jun 2015 #50

That is fine but not what Clinton said. former9thward Jun 2015 #72

I added a sarcasm thingy to #50. I agree with your #33. progree Jun 2015 #73

It 's a strong statement mainstreetonce Jun 2015 #34

I went to utube, nothing heaven05 Jun 2015 #35

I looked there, too, before I posted this. If I find a link I'll add it. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #36

speech is here... riversedge Jun 2015 #55

Thanks! pnwmom Jun 2015 #56

here you go.... riversedge Jun 2015 #54

Good for her. I'm glad she's speaking out on this. Hekate Jun 2015 #37

So what were her gun-control specifics? What would she propose? Well, it was the usual . . . DrBulldog Jun 2015 #40

you seem concerned stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #47

Perhaps because she says a lot of words but actually proposes nothing... peacebird Jun 2015 #52

She wants universal background checks. What has Bernie proposed? n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #79

UBC is a given as a concept. ManiacJoe Jun 2015 #96

So what does Bernie propose? I still haven't heard an answer on that. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #98

I have no idea what Bernie proposes. ManiacJoe Jun 2015 #99

Thank you, Secretary Clinton.... paleotn Jun 2015 #43

K&R! stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #46

Woo! Vague platitudes! I'm stoked! Shamash Jun 2015 #53

Like Sanders, she understands that there are responsible gun owners pnwmom Jun 2015 #59

Please, don't say that Shamash Jun 2015 #67

Unlike Sanders, you say? TM99 Jun 2015 #69

We need some real gun control Gothmog Jun 2015 #57

How do you define "real gun control"? ManiacJoe Jun 2015 #97

this is a huge mistake by Hillary virtualobserver Jun 2015 #58

If you had bothered to listen to her speech, you would know that much of it was about pnwmom Jun 2015 #60

my point is that by focusing on gun control...... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #61

She didn't "focus on gun control." She talked about gun violence but spoke at greater length on a range of issues pnwmom Jun 2015 #62

but the headlines say "gun control" virtualobserver Jun 2015 #64

That's not her fault or her mistake. She shouldn't avoid the subject of gun control pnwmom Jun 2015 #65

Unfortunately, I disagree...... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #71

Talking about new gun restrictions/bans is most certainly going to grab people's attention. benEzra Jun 2015 #83

how can it be? She didn't say anything Doctor_J Jun 2015 #92

she speaks in riddles ... I give up. quadrature Jun 2015 #74

One of the common sense measures she proposes is universal background checks pnwmom Jun 2015 #76

She was so heartfelt, and obviously hurting. juajen Jun 2015 #75

She had been with Rev. Pinckney earlier in the day, at her fundraiser. pnwmom Jun 2015 #78

She will be progressive sounding until the primaries are over. Bonobo Jun 2015 #77

and for those who want all the other candidiates DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #80

"Stirring." :) Beauregard Jun 2015 #88

The devil is in the DETAILS not the Concept of Gun Control happyslug Jun 2015 #93

I watched the panel and it really was good.. Gloria Jun 2015 #100

KnR! What a lot of crap gets opined here, however. It doesn't matter what HRC says or does... Hekate Jun 2015 #101