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67. Do you think a system where people can retire at 49 with pension payments
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 03:07 PM
Jul 2015

based on their highest year's income is one that's affordable long-term?

Don't get me wrong. That sounds like an awesome deal. I certainly would want me some of that.

But, who pays for it?

"the irresponsible behavior of the new Greek government.” Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #1
Oh Yeah, Yani calling the Europeans terrorists was really, really responsible. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2015 #3
LOL! Scream "MUSLIMS!!!" and everyone wets themselves. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #7
Austerity caused their problems. Taitertots Jul 2015 #40
Austerity was imposed after the bailout. Igel Jul 2015 #42
5 years ago the problem was manageable Taitertots Jul 2015 #56
The current government is the one that pretty much told the rest of the EU to fuck themselves geek tragedy Jul 2015 #4
Actually, the Greeks told the rest of the EU they weren't giving up their pensions. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #6
We'll see how well those pensions get funded ex post Grexit. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #8
The reason why they're in trouble now is because of the PRIOR government..... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #10
The larger truth is that Greece and the Eurozone geek tragedy Jul 2015 #11
The even LARGER truth is the EU was a populist movement of the People.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #12
Greece's problem is that it got itself into more geek tragedy Jul 2015 #13
One of the ways they sold the EU was to say the rich countries would share with the poor ones. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #15
Which leads to the dirty secret of the EU having higher inequality than the US Recursion Jul 2015 #18
Exactly. The "givers and takers" we all know. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #19
The problem with analogies to the states of the USA FarrenH Jul 2015 #32
That's not the problem with the analogy; the analogy is to illustrate that Recursion Jul 2015 #37
Ah, I misread you FarrenH Jul 2015 #38
Because greece is a seperate country. Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #101
There are much poorer countries than Greece in the EU. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #33
+1 DetlefK Jul 2015 #35
^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #44
That is the big lie. The damage was done by the previous government.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #50
so Greece's government and economic system are a model of efficiency, transparency, and geek tragedy Jul 2015 #57
If you blame HIM for it I suppose that would outrage you.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #58
he didn't cause it. but he owns it now. it's his baby. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #59
The "behaviors that got it into trouble"? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #60
Greece's problems go far beyond hiring GS to commit fraud against its Eurozone partners. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #61
We all know the New York Times is going to explain the situation honestly.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #62
Do you think a system where people can retire at 49 with pension payments geek tragedy Jul 2015 #67
Believe it or not there's enough money in the hands of the few to give everyone a base salary. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #68
So, why did Greece cut its pensions instead of soaking its rich then? geek tragedy Jul 2015 #69
Do you feel it? A change is coming.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #71
If the Greeks don't want to take any sh!t from others, they need to stop taking money geek tragedy Jul 2015 #72
They aren't "asking for money".... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #74
So the greeks aren't asking for more loans? geek tragedy Jul 2015 #76
Every nation is operating in debt.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #78
Greece went broke under the rightwingers. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #81
Actually, the right-wingers hid the debt to get their mitts on the Euro. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #83
yes, only further confirming that it was a bad idea for Greece to join geek tragedy Jul 2015 #86
PASOK, the centre-left party, was in government when Greece joined the Euro muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #89
The problems started under a centre-left government muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #70
I wouldn't call a government that pulled that "center-left". Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #75
To the left of the Democratic party, anyway muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #77
Their right is to the left of our DLC. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #80
It is a centre-left, in European terms, party muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #82
I'm talking about the government that was there before. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #84
As I said, PASOK was the government until 2004 muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #87
Don't think that Tspiras will "avoid" taxing their rich citizens or collecting tax from them... cascadiance Jul 2015 #63
he hasn't raised them thus far. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #66
I like that. Igel Jul 2015 #41
Like I said elsewhere, this isn't Westeros and the Iron Bank.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #48
5 months of insulting lenders has cost Greece dearly. MrTriumph Jul 2015 #85
I really think we should threaten to invalidate the 1953 German debt write down. roamer65 Jul 2015 #2
Who is 'we?' geek tragedy Jul 2015 #5
I am baffled by the Greeks donna123 Jul 2015 #9
You really need to get away from the corporate media.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #14
yeah well hill2016 Jul 2015 #16
You increase your income.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #17
well hill2016 Jul 2015 #20
It needs to raise taxes on the rich.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #21
They can raise taxes all they want but if they do not enforce donna123 Jul 2015 #23
A lot of that is right-wing propaganda.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #24
They're not even collecting the "taxes on the rich" they have now. Until they get serious about that PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #30
The entire EU needs to be taken from the Supply Siders. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #49
This has been a problem for a long time for the Greeks... cascadiance Jul 2015 #65
I would say that you do it via trade... T_i_B Jul 2015 #25
We aren't talking about a third world country..... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #26
No, Greece is not a 3rd world country T_i_B Jul 2015 #27
Oh sure, like Serbia. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #51
A lot of third world countries have... MattSh Jul 2015 #28
It tells 1 story... T_i_B Jul 2015 #29
My point is Greece isn't a "third world country".... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #55
The Greek people are not lazy, deadbeat tax cheats. Maybe a few facts will leave you less amazed. magical thyme Jul 2015 #53
Obviously I wounded you donna123 Jul 2015 #92
Why don't you try responding to the facts I presented? I'll try repeating them: magical thyme Jul 2015 #97
Greece was the first recipient of aid under the Marshall plan hack89 Jul 2015 #104
why is "everybody" paying attention to Greece? magical thyme Jul 2015 #99
I am baffled by people who are unable to create paragraphs Skittles Jul 2015 #91
Wow, insightful donna123 Jul 2015 #93
that's about as much consideration I could muster after your second sentence Skittles Jul 2015 #94
What is wrong with you donna123 Jul 2015 #95
NOTHING is wrong with me Skittles Jul 2015 #102
This isn't a repuke meme donna123 Jul 2015 #106
the meme that the Greeks are "lazy deadbeat taxcheats" didn't just happen "now" magical thyme Jul 2015 #100
When you say this, I think you are stating the problem without knowing it: freshwest Jul 2015 #105
The core problem rests with Germany's and the Troika's response to the financial crises dharmamarx Jul 2015 #22
Germany should hold a referendum of the people on a stimulus package for Greece. PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #31
or they could just pay the war reparations they've wriggled out of magical thyme Jul 2015 #54
It amazes me how many people on this board are prepared to stand with the 1% GliderGuider Jul 2015 #34
Me too. Demit Jul 2015 #36
It becomes less "amazing" when you realise that many of those people ... Nihil Jul 2015 #39
Thank you for this... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #46
Are you located in Southern Europe then? GliderGuider Jul 2015 #47
not one of those people reorg Jul 2015 #90
I was assuming that they are taxpayers but, from your words, you're not. Fair enough. Nihil Jul 2015 #96
Politicheski pravil'no. Igel Jul 2015 #43
When it's Greek citizens on one side and global bankers on the other GliderGuider Jul 2015 #45
It's multi-dimensional chess! merrily Jul 2015 #52
A whole nation votes overwhelmingly against being further enslavened by the banksters. The Stranger Jul 2015 #64
Or...a whole nation votes overwhelmingly not to live within their means... brooklynite Jul 2015 #73
Sure, a nation in the same way New York State is a nation. closeupready Jul 2015 #88
Oh nonsense. You've bought into that austerity lies your enslavers fed you. The Stranger Jul 2015 #103
"The party" is a depression caused by Austerity Taitertots Jul 2015 #79
To blame the new government is like blaming the oncologist because you smoked all your life dembotoz Jul 2015 #98
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