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FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
28. Thats what family members living in Austraila told me too
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 10:39 AM
Aug 2015

Currently they have Universal Healthcare with very good prescription drug coverage. TPP would put them on a system like we have in the USA

- they want no part of it

Australia doesn't believe in trade with other nations??? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #1
You've gotta try harder than that n2doc Aug 2015 #2
(Shrug) It's good enough for Obama. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #3
Yes, because Obama is quite up front about his corporate leanings. Only the GOP djean111 Aug 2015 #5
Actually you have that a little twisted ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #11
If a majority of the Democratic base favors it, then they have no idea what it really is, djean111 Aug 2015 #12
Either way, the Democratic base polls as supporting the TPP ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #15
To be clear, I base my hatred of the TPP on what I have seen leaked about it, and what djean111 Aug 2015 #48
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #49
Better than just being a lemming, following the "D" on a jersey. n/t djean111 Aug 2015 #50
And anonymous sources ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #52
Any discussion will be moot. Fast Track. djean111 Aug 2015 #53
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #54
That was my point. But they have pretty much the same objections. djean111 Aug 2015 #55
Agreements that haven't been reached. Look ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #56
You are completely discounting the leaks, and the very detailed objections djean111 Aug 2015 #57
Well ... Yeah. Why get hot and bothered about discussion points ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #58
By the time they are IN the agreement, fast track kicks in, and all we can do is watch. djean111 Aug 2015 #59
Well, if the bad stuff is in the agreement ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #60
Oh, no worries - and I mean this, honestly, in the nicest possible way - djean111 Aug 2015 #62
Thank you. 840high Aug 2015 #108
How long is it classified? Ned Flanders Aug 2015 #67
This canarnd has been raised before ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #74
Elitist. Or condescending. These are the new negative buzzwords without content. erronis Aug 2015 #70
I'm sorry you didn't have a better weekend ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #76
That's odd--my two Dem senators report 1% of calls and emails in favor eridani Aug 2015 #78
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #81
You and every other defender of TPP are doing that eridani Aug 2015 #85
Where have I "defended" TPP? ... Please don't just disappear ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #92
You're defending the supporters of TPP progressoid Aug 2015 #97
Yeah, okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #101
If you don't support it, why cite polling that Democratic voters support it? eridani Aug 2015 #98
Because .... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #103
Sorry--hard to keep track of subthreads sometimes. n/t eridani Aug 2015 #104
True ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #107
There seems to be a lot of what you describe going on 'ound ere n/t GitRDun Aug 2015 #100
??? 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #105
I completely agree with your statement nikto Aug 2015 #115
The Democratic base favors it? Not that I heard. bread_and_roses Aug 2015 #14
I was referring to a poll of Democratic and republican voters ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #16
The AFL-CIO is stupid? bread_and_roses Aug 2015 #18
Please understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #19
It's just that too many people view politics as team sport... Salviati Aug 2015 #30
Nice how YOU inject the word "stupid", and then accuse me of saying that. djean111 Aug 2015 #116
Where did I say there is no way to know what's in the TPP? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #117
Then there is no reason for the Democratic base to be FOR it, either. djean111 Aug 2015 #118
... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #119
I believe this conversation started when you said that the Democratic base was for djean111 Aug 2015 #120
No ... the conversation start with someone saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #121
If no one actually knows what is in the TPP, the poll is pointless. djean111 Aug 2015 #122
I agree; but, it does refute the initial comment about who supports the TPP ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #123
My posts concerning the support for the TPP have always been about Congress and Obama. djean111 Aug 2015 #124
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #125
Look likes the best we can do. I am for it. djean111 Aug 2015 #126
I ask because the Iran Deal played/plays out exactly like the TPP ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #127
The Iran deal will not affect the daily lives of almost everybody. I am counting all of the "trade djean111 Aug 2015 #128
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #129
They don't. However, it's heavily favored by the swooners and that's all that matters to swooners. PSPS Aug 2015 #36
I think that would be the 'corporate base' favors it. You know, the Waltons for example. jalan48 Aug 2015 #69
Corporations want it. That should be a big red flag. Environmentalists don't want it. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #72
Be that all as it may ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #79
That's like standing on the train track and saying that you will wait until after the rhett o rick Aug 2015 #82
Okay. I disagree; but, okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #83
Don't forget the Hillary supporters.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #45
Except that she won't come out against it. villager Aug 2015 #64
Actually I disagree. I haven't found anyone that provides any arguments in favor of the TPP. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #73
Some of them are for it because Liberals are against it.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #87
I see it differently. First of all they have no idea what liberal means. Some will tell you that rhett o rick Aug 2015 #89
Those are the Dems STILL running away from the 40 year old "Tax & Spend" moniker. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #95
And Corporate America. Notice that no major corporation is lobbying against this. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #68
For one thing, Australia believes cheaper generic medicine should be available before djean111 Aug 2015 #4
Thats what family members living in Austraila told me too FreakinDJ Aug 2015 #28
I was echoing the argument used by those that favor the TPP.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #46
Thank you!!!! I have seen that crap argument stated seriously, as if we were all just born djean111 Aug 2015 #47
I disagree. bvar22 Aug 2015 #66
he was right restorefreedom Aug 2015 #94
STRAWMAN. No one made that claim. Insinuating questions are logical fallacies. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #61
Standard Beltway formula. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #86
Standard Fox Noise formula. You can make any ridiculous statement you want if you rhett o rick Aug 2015 #88
What the TPPA means for New Zealand ( posted in another thread) fingrin Aug 2015 #6
Extremely helpful! snot Aug 2015 #39
Pharmacare is Canada's version of New Zealand's Pharmac. We buy generic and negotiate prices Monk06 Aug 2015 #132
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #7
This treaty is only wanted by and only helps international corporations. marble falls Aug 2015 #8
"walks away"?? DCBob Aug 2015 #9
looks to me like Drug Corp. issues is the stickie point with most countries in this trade agreement. Sunlei Aug 2015 #24
I think a compromise in the works. DCBob Aug 2015 #31
Good malokvale77 Aug 2015 #10
The U.S. would push this "trade" deal even if it were the only country left at the table. It is not GoneFishin Aug 2015 #13
^^^^*THIS!^^^^^ SoapBox Aug 2015 #25
didn't you know? Corporations already control our gov and change/write laws to suit their interests. Sunlei Aug 2015 #29
Yep, but they want their own courts as well. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #37
And laws can be changed if enough seats in the house and senate change hands. This way they GoneFishin Aug 2015 #109
Exactly. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #111
That "wait to judge" ploy is preposterously stupid, as is anybody gullible enough to fall for it. GoneFishin Aug 2015 #113
BINGO harun Aug 2015 #110
So ... China's not one of the "Big Four" ? How does that work ? eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #17
China is not in on this trade deal. Sunlei Aug 2015 #22
A Pacific trade deal w/o China ?? Very relevant, LOL ! nt eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #23
This specific "Trade treaty" has been worked on for almost 7 years. China has other trade deals. Sunlei Aug 2015 #26
Yeah, I know. But it looks like China can upset the applecart if it wants. eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #27
you're right,china could be upset and their stock market may reflect this. Sunlei Aug 2015 #34
Interesting interpretation. eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #35
The fake island China built in the middle of all those smaller countries fishing sea shows the Sunlei Aug 2015 #41
The rationale for the U.S. "pivot to Asia" embodied in TPP is to counter Chinese economic strength hedda_foil Aug 2015 #130
I think that was sort of the point of the deal. DCBob Aug 2015 #32
Supporters of the TPP claim one of the points of the deal is to weaken China. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #63
Or to find WMDs. Or help Afghan women. Or control the influx of communism. nt valerief Aug 2015 #71
Thank you Australia. jwirr Aug 2015 #20
Yes -- now shut the door. NCjack Aug 2015 #42
"Concerns around automotives, data protection of biologics, dairy and sugar" I read last year about Sunlei Aug 2015 #21
At least someone TBF Aug 2015 #33
GOOD. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #38
Great thread; K&R'd! snot Aug 2015 #40
Thank you Australia Michigan-Arizona Aug 2015 #43
Good for Australia daleo Aug 2015 #44
Obviously, Australians are far smarter than Americans. lark Aug 2015 #51
Until we the people are given the opportunity to saidsimplesimon Aug 2015 #65
I'm so torn up over this... Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #75
I'm torn about when I can officially start celebrating TPP's demise! villager Aug 2015 #77
I'd say it's too soon for that Jack Rabbit Aug 2015 #80
Well, there will be that whole "saving the planet" thing villager Aug 2015 #84
As I see it, the computer/robot singularity will occur before we destroy the planet. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #90
We'll be "deleted?" villager Aug 2015 #91
I think our dependence will continue to grow. But they reach the point of rhett o rick Aug 2015 #93
Right. Their "singularity gathering" won't even involve us. villager Aug 2015 #99
I won't be remotely sad.... blackspade Aug 2015 #96
Let's hope this is just the beginning.. raindaddy Aug 2015 #106
Good! raindaddy Aug 2015 #102
Whatever jackass wrote that should be fired they didnt walk away from shit. cstanleytech Aug 2015 #112
This is potentially HUGE, and wonderful! nikto Aug 2015 #114
I'm hoping that some of the other Island/Countries will follow Australia, bvar22 Aug 2015 #131
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