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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:36 PM

74. The deal has been published and is on various websites

There are parts like the Iran/IAEA details that are NOT public - nor will they be because they explicitly detail where everything is in Iran. Frankly, no country would agree to a deal where all of that was in the public domain. Neither the US or Israel would allow all that information to be public. (Note that this pertains not to a current nuclear site, but a military site.)

I agree that "traitor" goes too far and I have mostly seen it for Schumer and Menendez with respect to their party and President. I prefer to simply say they are wrong. Note that NONE of their peers or the President have used that language, which is better than Bibi's government where officials have not only called Obama and Kerry names, including anti-semitic and delusional, but Bibi PERSONALLY misrepresented the Hamas demands for the cease fire as "Kerry's" after Kerry, who was given them by Qatar passed them to Israel - a similar thing done every time as neither the US or Israel will talk directly to Hamas. Bibi had the chutzpah to take this to the entire Knesset for a vote and presented as the US plan! Why? because the grass needed more cutting. (This by the way, is when Netanyahu completely lost my respect.)

I don't see the two sides as equal in behaving badly. Netanyahu has made it completely clear he will use the Republicans to deraail this deal. Yet when Obama responds and defends himself, some have called him out for pointing out -- truthfully - that AIPAC has put $40 million behind fighting this. It is not antisemitic to speak of the Israeli lobby working against the President when they are doing just that. Not just in spending money, but many Jewish groups that I have some contact with have spammed their members - including some like Haddassah which was always non partisan. (On the other side, the reform statement admits most of its members are for the deal, but says they stay neutral because most Israelis are against it In the Jewish world, I have read many times that we will have more influence if we speak with one voice -- and those saying it all represent the RW/Likud voice - even when they are out of power in Israel. In fact, this issue may be what shatters that argument once and for all.)

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