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maxsolomon

(32,983 posts)
221. I gave it a "Grad School" read.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:45 PM
Sep 2015

trying to find the cited paragraph. then I saw Gary Kleck's name, and remembered my "purported source for everything".


Self defense. No charges. nt 7962 Sep 2015 #1
Probably would have just taken the money and left. onehandle Sep 2015 #2
The customer is a hero. Who knows what he stopped yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #8
..... bigwillq Sep 2015 #26
With proper gun/weapon control in this country, the bank robber would be much less likely to be -none Sep 2015 #208
I would love to hear your -practical- plan to remove the current 300 legal million firearms branford Sep 2015 #212
Check our Australia in 1996. -none Sep 2015 #226
This ain't Australia, GGJohn Sep 2015 #231
I know. -none Sep 2015 #241
They also only removed a questionable percentage of known weapons branford Sep 2015 #243
Real change is a coming. -none Sep 2015 #245
Real change is a coming? GGJohn Sep 2015 #248
You'll likely be waiting a very long while. branford Sep 2015 #250
I beg to differ, GGJohn Sep 2015 #247
Not really. -none Sep 2015 #249
So many gun deaths? GGJohn Sep 2015 #251
Gun deaths are gun deaths. -none Sep 2015 #252
If someone is determined to off themselves, they don't need a gun to do so. GGJohn Sep 2015 #255
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #262
Sorry. The guy stopped a bank robbery in progress rpannier Sep 2015 #10
Controllers tend to have a visceral hatred for armed self-defense friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #13
Wha....? Rod Beauvex Sep 2015 #45
Like a world in which everyone gets a pony? maxsolomon Sep 2015 #197
The googlemachine reveals: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #202
..... bigwillq Sep 2015 #27
You are perfectly free to make that determination for yourself friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #11
Robber pointed his gun at customer. Robber deserved to be dropped. Good shoot. nt 7962 Sep 2015 #17
Yup. bigwillq Sep 2015 #25
Lolololol!!!! GGJohn Sep 2015 #18
Sometimes getting shot is an occupational hazard Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #32
Me too. I would not take that as a reassuring gesture. n/t Yo_Mama Sep 2015 #132
+1. Not long ago a cowboy shot a store clerk trying to save his own ass during a robbery that Hoyt Sep 2015 #37
You seemed to have missed the part where the ARMED robber pointed his gun at the customer. GGJohn Sep 2015 #38
So, he didn't shoot. Stupid cowboy did, endangering others. Hoyt Sep 2015 #46
Your clairvoyance is astounding there Hoyt!!!! GGJohn Sep 2015 #50
As is yours. You think you need 4 gun safes full of gunz and ammo, and Hoyt Sep 2015 #52
Do you even realize how much of a fool you're making yourself look like? GGJohn Sep 2015 #54
Do you even realize how much of a fool you're making yourself look like with the stupid laughy thing HERVEPA Sep 2015 #227
Do you even realize how much of a fool you're making yourself look like by that post? GGJohn Sep 2015 #229
I guess the answer to my question was no. HERVEPA Sep 2015 #230
I guess it was. GGJohn Sep 2015 #232
No more, and no less than you do. n/t oneshooter Sep 2015 #242
If you point a gun at someone, you deserve to be shot Reter Sep 2015 #61
Unless you are a cowboy in a situation where others might be endangered. Hoyt Sep 2015 #75
What does that have do with anything? rockfordfile Sep 2015 #127
So, now, self defense is a republican thing? GGJohn Sep 2015 #137
You should stop trolling if you want to get to 50 posts Reter Sep 2015 #156
My thoughts also. GGJohn Sep 2015 #158
Please tell me this is self-parody. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #81
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #263
Oh, I see, the customer, what, got the drop louis-t Sep 2015 #218
The armed robber had already pointed the gun at the customer GGJohn Sep 2015 #224
Sounds like you were there. louis-t Sep 2015 #225
I think I read that in a different news source, GGJohn Sep 2015 #228
Hard core Hoyt strikes again! snooper2 Sep 2015 #68
People like Hoyt lancer78 Sep 2015 #92
"Probably." that reassuring word again. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #103
You strap a gun on to go to Chuck E Cheese, thinking you probably won't shoot an innocent kid, Hoyt Sep 2015 #106
crazy talk, as usual.nt Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #114
"Probably?" You're awfully cavalier about risking the lives of innocent people, branford Sep 2015 #41
Yeah I have know gun fanciers who consider it a defensive use to flash their gun at a Black Hoyt Sep 2015 #107
Debunked: maxsolomon Sep 2015 #108
So the CDC sarisataka Sep 2015 #121
Maybe? Here's more: maxsolomon Sep 2015 #141
Please forgive me sarisataka Sep 2015 #153
In the spirit of the Pope's visit maxsolomon Sep 2015 #187
. sarisataka Sep 2015 #188
So the CDC, acting under the Obama Admin, GGJohn Sep 2015 #135
Maybe? Here's more: maxsolomon Sep 2015 #142
Sorry, but I'll go with the official CDC study, GGJohn Sep 2015 #144
The CDC numbers just leave me flabbergasted. maxsolomon Sep 2015 #178
The CDC Report was originally linked in my Post #41 branford Sep 2015 #185
Ah, OK. I was thrown because the link doesn't say "CDC". maxsolomon Sep 2015 #186
As I indicated, the report has something for everyone in the gun debate, branford Sep 2015 #189
I emailed the Armed With Reason folks on this study. Here is their response: maxsolomon Sep 2015 #192
The report is not remotely as atypical as suggested by your source, branford Sep 2015 #200
I found it a thorough analysis of the flaws in the methodology of the cited studies maxsolomon Sep 2015 #205
The government already studies the issue. branford Sep 2015 #211
Armed with Reason didn't review the methodology of the "CDC" Survey maxsolomon Sep 2015 #220
If something doesn't agree with your preconceived notions, that doesn't mean it's BS. branford Sep 2015 #253
The customer is a hero. romanic Sep 2015 #47
. Jesus Malverde Sep 2015 #99
"Probably." i feel better. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #100
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #259
so a "customer" shoots robber in arms and leg while cops shoot to execute. interesting nt msongs Sep 2015 #3
You beat me by 5 minutes. BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #5
Their trained to shoot and kill so they are doing their job as trained yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #9
or maybe he was just a lousy shot Skittles Sep 2015 #20
Either lousy or amazing shooting. Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #74
My guess is he wasn't specifically aiming for arms and legs. LisaL Sep 2015 #150
The fact that the customer shot the robber in both arms and a leg... Nitram Sep 2015 #53
Maybe the robber had both hands in front of his torso. Jesus Malverde Sep 2015 #101
Probably unintentional, but hard to say. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #85
Here's a question BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #4
He missed. He was trying to shoot center mass and pee at the same time. That is really hard on your jtuck004 Sep 2015 #6
Maybe he was aiming for the torso and missed? n/t OnlinePoker Sep 2015 #7
How do you know the customer is an "average citizen?" LisaL Sep 2015 #15
If he had a lot of training he wouldn't be aiming for the arms and legs Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #58
Because it is *never* ok for a cop to shoot to wound. eggplant Sep 2015 #31
Oh goody. A wild west shootout in a bank nichomachus Sep 2015 #12
"It's only money. Let them take it." What do you suggest when money does not suffice? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2015 #14
Because we know that robbers never ever kill their victims. Nt hack89 Sep 2015 #16
because we know robbers always kill thier victims. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #21
What's wrong with assuming the worst? hack89 Sep 2015 #23
+1 DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #29
I, for one, see no reason to give armed bank robbers the benefit of any doubt. branford Sep 2015 #42
I think the lesser gamble is to give them exactly what they want and move them along. Pulling a gun Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #43
Again, you can assess your own personal risk and response if confronted by such a scenario. branford Sep 2015 #44
We used to say that about airline hijackers, too. n/t 24601 Sep 2015 #57
"robbery is the height of irresponsibility" pocoloco Sep 2015 #72
Did you miss the part where the armed robber pointed his gun at the customer? GGJohn Sep 2015 #19
Old quick draw customer got him or customer drew attention to himself by pulling out his gun? Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #22
Good point treestar Sep 2015 #64
A shootout involves at least two shooters, and you also know the bank was "FILLED" with customers? snooper2 Sep 2015 #70
They let guns in banks in Michigan? jmowreader Sep 2015 #24
That's what made me think the customer Action_Patrol Sep 2015 #28
Michigan and many states allow CCW to carry a gun Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #33
I didn't know any state allowed guns in banks legally. Action_Patrol Sep 2015 #35
They do in my state also. n/t oneshooter Sep 2015 #48
OK in mich if concealed michreject Sep 2015 #111
HAHAHA sure rockfordfile Sep 2015 #122
HAHAHA sure what? GGJohn Sep 2015 #139
They do in my state. eom. GGJohn Sep 2015 #39
Ain't that a bitch JohnnyRingo Sep 2015 #30
Maybe I would have handled it differently if I was a customer at that moment bluestateguy Sep 2015 #34
Maybe the "customer" was iintending to rob the bank himself got jaysunb Sep 2015 #36
I remember a movie that had just that scene in it, GGJohn Sep 2015 #40
Yeah, where is it legal to take a gun into a bank? sofa king Sep 2015 #51
Its legal in most states, including Michigan where this happened. Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #59
Uhhh, it's perfectly legal in my state to carry a concealed weapon in banks, GGJohn Sep 2015 #60
It is sad ripcord Sep 2015 #65
Legal in Texas as long as it is concealed and you have a CHL. n/t oneshooter Sep 2015 #112
If it wasn't legal he would have been arrested. [nt] Ichigo Kurosaki Sep 2015 #213
Armed customers breaking up bank robberies is a bad, bad idea and an NRA wet dream. marble falls Sep 2015 #49
Touchy subject... mac2766 Sep 2015 #55
This was not viligante justice, GGJohn Sep 2015 #62
I understand mac2766 Sep 2015 #69
In one of the next robberies all the customers will be shot by the robbers, thanks NRA! YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #56
I sure hope you didn't pull any muscles with that stretch. GGJohn Sep 2015 #63
Laugh if up funny boy! It will happen and every one knows it. YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #66
I'm laughing at your ridiculous statement. GGJohn Sep 2015 #67
To quote "lazarus Long"... Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #86
Or maybe it'll be a warning to robbers christx30 Sep 2015 #73
Good point. My belief is that the more fools that carry guns, the more robbers will Hoyt Sep 2015 #77
Or perhaps the more robbers will decide armed daylight robberies in crowded banks hughee99 Sep 2015 #80
So, they just shoot people walking to their car. I don't think most robbers Hoyt Sep 2015 #83
Just more nonsense from you. GGJohn Sep 2015 #140
Agreed "gunz in people's pants aren't going to stop crime." You have to take it out once in a while. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #258
At some point this is performance art. Jesus Malverde Sep 2015 #105
Banks train employees to just give the money up and let the robber get out. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2015 #71
You point a gun at anyone there is a pretty good chance you are gonna get shot! pocoloco Sep 2015 #76
Exactly. But there are too many cowboys looking for a chance to play policeman or be a hero. Hoyt Sep 2015 #78
Which is good policy. However, when a robber points a gun at someone... Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #87
It's against the law to carry any weapon leftyladyfrommo Sep 2015 #89
Umm, no not in Illinois or Missouri, in fact not in most states DonP Sep 2015 #90
According to the Kansas City Police Dept. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2015 #95
This is what I would expect in reasonable society. The teller gives the money quickly and moves the Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #207
"You cowboys are rolling the dice?" branford Sep 2015 #214
That depends on what state you're in. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #91
+1. Unfortunately, too many gunners aren't going to pass up an "opportunity" Hoyt Sep 2015 #93
I agree with you but: leftyladyfrommo Sep 2015 #96
I hear you. zimmerman was well trained too, especially on what lies to tell police. Hoyt Sep 2015 #97
So far I have never seen anyone armed anywhere that I have gone. leftyladyfrommo Sep 2015 #98
If someone is carrying a legal concealed firearm, you're not supposed to know they're armed. branford Sep 2015 #102
Umm, not in AZ it isn't, GGJohn Sep 2015 #175
Especially in a bank robbery! I'm on the customer's side. Yo_Mama Sep 2015 #138
UPDATED: Bank robber shot by customer in Warren sarisataka Sep 2015 #79
So he was leaving and the brave, brave gun 'hero' went for it. onehandle Sep 2015 #109
Missed the part, AGAIN, where the ARMED robber pointed his gun at the customer? GGJohn Sep 2015 #143
And the robber already had a second degree murder conviction on the record. LisaL Sep 2015 #146
I didn't know that, GGJohn Sep 2015 #147
Robber "grabbed customer by the back of his neck" before shooting. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #261
It is what it is sarisataka Sep 2015 #155
I'll say it again romanic Sep 2015 #82
I don't think it takes "guts" to carry a gun on city streets, just the opposite. Hoyt Sep 2015 #84
Well in my experience romanic Sep 2015 #116
I'll admit someone with one gun in the situation you describe has more of a reason to tote than Hoyt Sep 2015 #118
I see what you're saying. romanic Sep 2015 #120
you sound like a extremist rockfordfile Sep 2015 #123
No. romanic Sep 2015 #165
I guess that you would have violently popped him with a can of beans, oneshooter Sep 2015 #117
Better than being so into gunz, you post under a gunner's user name. Hoyt Sep 2015 #119
I have been shot at before, I do not relish having it happen again. n/t oneshooter Sep 2015 #125
You'd minimize the odds by staying away from gunz and those who need them. Hoyt Sep 2015 #128
Well, most of us would not view banking as cozying up to guns. Not getting your point. n/t Yo_Mama Sep 2015 #133
No, staying away from loadmouths like you tends to do well. n/t oneshooter Sep 2015 #145
True, if you an armed angry person, best you stay away from people. Hoyt Sep 2015 #151
Just more nonsense from you. GGJohn Sep 2015 #152
Not mad, I don't get mad. Just staying away from ignorants like you seems to do the trick. oneshooter Sep 2015 #154
Some of us don't need a gun, sorry you feel you do. Hoyt Sep 2015 #162
And some here are forbidden from owning firearms GGJohn Sep 2015 #163
Not me, you missed the joke. But you've never been perceptive. Another reason for you Hoyt Sep 2015 #167
Uh huh, sure Hoyt. GGJohn Sep 2015 #174
I don't feel I need a gun here in NYC (and I've never owned a gun), branford Sep 2015 #166
Yeah, you wouldn't want to hamper militia types and yahoos getting gunz. Hoyt Sep 2015 #168
You really need to get out more. branford Sep 2015 #169
Zman, Dunn, Reeves, etc., "lawfully owned firearms." You need to quit defending Hoyt Sep 2015 #170
Feel free to list any number of lawful gun owners who committed crimes branford Sep 2015 #171
Are you going to vote for a Republican because of your love if gunz? Hoyt Sep 2015 #172
Do you remember in 2014 sarisataka Sep 2015 #182
Sounds like you should criticize your gun buddies. Hoyt Sep 2015 #183
I will criticize Bloomberg sarisataka Sep 2015 #184
I don't need to vote Republican TeddyR Sep 2015 #233
Here's a new one. Hoyt Sep 2015 #179
What does that have to do with the original story? TeddyR Sep 2015 #234
... GGJohn Sep 2015 #235
What If.. mac2766 Sep 2015 #88
There are many millions of people lawfully carrying firearms for self defense, branford Sep 2015 #94
An easy question to answer. mac2766 Sep 2015 #129
As I indicated, all situations must be evaluated on their own merits. branford Sep 2015 #159
While I agree... mac2766 Sep 2015 #160
Of course that's not "okay." branford Sep 2015 #161
And in your hypothetical situation, GGJohn Sep 2015 #164
So that makes it OK for gun toting cowboys to blast away to protect their own rear? Hoyt Sep 2015 #173
If someone points a firearm at me, you're damned right I'm going to defend myself, GGJohn Sep 2015 #176
Shooting a criminal who is pointing their gun at you TeddyR Sep 2015 #237
There was no children in the bank Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #104
This is good example of self-defense, only one of hundreds of thousands each year. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #110
I heard it was millions. onehandle Sep 2015 #113
Actually, there are estimates in the millions. I'm using the CDC's conservative estimate... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #115
You are so happy that the right wing is suppressing knowledge. onehandle Sep 2015 #134
Funny, you sound like a comic hypnotist on the Ed sullivan Show. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #180
Not the CDC, not a Study, and not the "Conservative" estimate maxsolomon Sep 2015 #195
A little specious since this "project" is supported by CDC and Nat'l Research Council, Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #203
When I see statistics or arguments that don't conform to my beliefs maxsolomon Sep 2015 #206
See my Post #200 concerning the alleged "flaws" in the CDC study. nt branford Sep 2015 #215
Not self defense - the robber was fleeing. Maedhros Sep 2015 #126
From what witnesses said, robber was pointing gun at the customer. LisaL Sep 2015 #131
I thought the shots occurred outside the bank. My bad. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2015 #148
No, GGJohn Sep 2015 #149
Fleeing while pointing a gun at (from your stand point) the wrong person... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #181
Something's odd about this story rockfordfile Sep 2015 #124
Cryptic... sarisataka Sep 2015 #130
Bank robbers sometimes rob customers. Yo_Mama Sep 2015 #136
There's something odd alright, GGJohn Sep 2015 #177
It's nice when people do what's right. ileus Sep 2015 #157
I'm told that's the most painful place to be shot n/t Kennah Sep 2015 #190
What? In a bank? Dr. Strange Sep 2015 #256
In the Warren n/t Kennah Sep 2015 #257
Why are controllers so mad? Kang Colby Sep 2015 #191
Disputable. maxsolomon Sep 2015 #193
That's crap. Kang Colby Sep 2015 #198
Please show me a "CDC" Estimate maxsolomon Sep 2015 #201
Instead of relying on your purported source for everything, branford Sep 2015 #216
I gave it a "Grad School" read. maxsolomon Sep 2015 #221
Here you go. Kang Colby Sep 2015 #222
that is NOT data gathered BY the CDC maxsolomon Sep 2015 #239
By the "gun violence archive" Kang Colby Sep 2015 #265
so which numbers do you buy? maxsolomon Oct 2015 #266
Re-read post 265. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #268
I don't understand how everyone is christx30 Sep 2015 #194
I'm not angry about this incident - I'm happy it worked out. maxsolomon Sep 2015 #196
It's about as valid as painting all gun owners as christx30 Sep 2015 #199
good plan. it supports the status quo maxsolomon Oct 2015 #267
There is anger because it doesn't fit gun-control narrative... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #260
I just knew that if I waited long enough I would read a story like this. guillaumeb Sep 2015 #204
Two-thirds are suicides, and how many of the remainder are actually the branford Sep 2015 #209
So suicides do not count as gun deaths? guillaumeb Sep 2015 #210
Suicides certainly count as deaths, branford Sep 2015 #217
Perhaps you missed my point. guillaumeb Sep 2015 #219
The problem is you're using obvious straw man arguments. branford Sep 2015 #246
You ignore my points, or try to answer them when avoidance is impossible. guillaumeb Sep 2015 #264
There will now probably be a civil case against the customer. roamer65 Sep 2015 #223
So instead of using your firearm to protect yourself TeddyR Sep 2015 #236
Some judges will make inmates put up a bond christx30 Sep 2015 #240
Maybe not. GGJohn Sep 2015 #238
In Texas if you successfully defend yourself using a firearm, knife, car, or whatever means oneshooter Sep 2015 #244
You forgot about the inevitable counterclaims of assault and branford Sep 2015 #254
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