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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
19. That bit worked well as propaganda, didn't it?
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:45 AM
Oct 2015

A heavy U.S. involvement (directly and even more so indirectly through the Saudi/Turkish axis) on behalf of the worst of the "rebels" (some of whom, the ones labeled ISIS, are also being bombed by the U.S., now out of Turkey) was transformed into "five guys" by the general's incomplete testimony. So they traded reality of involvement for an incompetence narrative. No problem, "incompetence" is a great excuse, it even gets used for the Bush war of aggression on Iraq.

Problem is, what's more important about all armed sides here (except the poor Kurds), Syrian and foreign, is not that they're incompetent (they usually are) but that they're violent and crazy. Most of them don't even know what the purpose of the killing is, so what's the big difference if they're incompetent? I find it more interesting that the same Turkish military bases are being used to launch Turkish attacks on Assad's side and American attacks on ISIS. Or that the global antagonists, Russia and U.S., are both claiming to be bombing the same side.

So they will target all enemies of Assad JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2015 #1
I'd use the word scary. lark Oct 2015 #2
we don't have any forces in Syria. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #7
Those 5 were DOD, not CIA. We have a lot more CIA. nt bananas Oct 2015 #10
Look, I'm no fan of Assad, but... Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #12
Just pointing out we have more than 5. bananas Oct 2015 #13
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One of the first US strikes were against the same people in that same area karynnj Oct 2015 #23
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Back from our trip to the west I see. HERVEPA Oct 2015 #26
and I predict this poster will be going there once again, in youthful spirit nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #32
And gone HERVEPA Oct 2015 #39
well, you know, what goes around comes around, so I imagine geek tragedy Oct 2015 #40
It is always easy to show pictures of devastation - we did the same karynnj Oct 2015 #27
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Explain the Iran deal -- that was on Clark's list as well karynnj Oct 2015 #31
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You mean the Russians who worked with the other countries on the deal? karynnj Oct 2015 #34
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Well ... there were the lies that Lavrov told on intentions re Crimea karynnj Oct 2015 #36
the aftermath PATRICK Oct 2015 #20
That bit worked well as propaganda, didn't it? JackRiddler Oct 2015 #19
"except the kurds" jamzrockz Oct 2015 #21
The Kurds are as "real" a nation as any other JackRiddler Oct 2015 #24
Well, there are our expensive trainees, of course JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2015 #18
Russia's not going to enjoy the blowback this produces nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #3
Do they have much to lose? BlueEye Oct 2015 #5
they certainly do have lots to lose. Large borders, lots of soft targets, geek tragedy Oct 2015 #9
"Russia says all opponents of Assad are terrorists" as so do many DUers. Coincidence! uhnope Oct 2015 #4
Turkey uses ISIS as an excuse to target Kurds in Iraq. USA seems OK with that. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #6
That's different because words. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #8
I appreciate Russia's candor. One thing for certain, the West's great 'democracy' crusade of Purveyor Oct 2015 #11
What exactly is Russia's track record with defeating widespread Islamic insurgencies abroad? NuclearDem Oct 2015 #17
I think Russians are just as big liars as Republicans. Maineman Oct 2015 #14
Well...at least they are being honest about it. Xolodno Oct 2015 #15
Yeah, good luck with that IronLionZion Oct 2015 #16
How Obama can one-up Putin in the Syria crisis: Support an independent Kurdistan oberliner Oct 2015 #28
Support Kurdistan = lose Turkey as a NATO member, lose Incirlik US base frizzled Oct 2015 #38
So USA and Western media are openly backing Al Qaeda now? frizzled Oct 2015 #30
And if the US knows where ISIS camps are, why doesn't it bomb them? frizzled Oct 2015 #37
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