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EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
81. that's not a goal
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 08:23 AM
Jan 2016

Last edited Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:55 AM - Edit history (1)

that's a plan to achieve a goal...

ie. If they do that and more people die than before, will they have achieved their goal?

The AWB was a huge failure, because after it expired it wasn't re-upped. And why?

Because while it existed it lost 35% of it's support.

And why? Because absolutely no one thought it had had a meaningful impact on gun violence. And, because there was literally no stated goals for it when it was implemented, no one could prove it was working. They could just say AWs are bad.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/assault-weapons-ban-poll_56715c23e4b0dfd4bcbff62e

When gun violence stays as bad as it is now - and it likely won't be reduced meaningfully by these measures - many, many people will reach the conclusion that control doesn't work. And the media will push that narrative, because there is literally no goals stated which can be met to prove them wrong.

And when these executive orders are repealed by the next Republican President, whenever that happens, there will be no appetite among Americans to fight that, and in fact there could be a huge appetite for loosening other restrictions.

Sometimes the options are bad and worse - and worse isn't the better option, just because it represents change.

And demanding that someone with legitimate concerns - and I believe my concerns are legitimate, and I'm sure many gun control activists politicians also have other legitimate concerns about these measures - demanding that those politicians acquiesce to supporting these measures if they want the President - the head of the party - to campaign for them, is just bullying.

"We can’t expect to solve our problems if all we do is tear each other down. You can disagree with a certain policy without demonizing the person who espouses it. You can question somebody’s views and their judgment without questioning their motives or their patriotism."

- Barrack Obama

But apparently you can't expect the leader of the party to support you if you disagree with the implementation of one random policy he's trying to push.

Get on board or GTFO mwrguy Jan 2016 #1
+1! Cha Jan 2016 #3
Boom! sheshe2 Jan 2016 #21
Booom, she! Cha Jan 2016 #23
Wow, I'm really glad to hear that. A little surprised even. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2016 #54
Exactly Dark n Strormy Knight! Thank you. Cha Jan 2016 #57
great! Champion Jack Jan 2016 #14
That's my President.. thank you, PTBL! Cha Jan 2016 #2
If he had only had this attitude for the Blue Dogs zipplewrath Jan 2016 #4
So you think there was a straight between the O-care legislation and congressional dem votes? underthematrix Jan 2016 #37
So glad I voted for this man. n/t justhanginon Jan 2016 #5
Obama will be influential for decades. Hoyt Jan 2016 #6
Outstanding. n/t MBS Jan 2016 #7
The NRA has pissed off the wrong President BeyondGeography Jan 2016 #8
Answering the tough questions at a forum mainstreetonce Jan 2016 #9
So proud of this president! Unfortunately immediately after it was over CNN went right to jillan Jan 2016 #13
Beginning to hate CNN. Far too many right wing nut jobs. Laser102 Jan 2016 #85
Music to my ears. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #10
Bravo! stone space Jan 2016 #11
So Obama would be banned on DU Reter Jan 2016 #12
I was going to Munificence Jan 2016 #82
Wow. There's a DU rule that states we must support Democrats who oppose gun reforms? Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #105
Yup Reter Feb 2016 #106
Since red state dems lancer78 Jan 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #16
Sanders is not even the last thing on his mind BeyondGeography Jan 2016 #18
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Your post was truly laughable BeyondGeography Jan 2016 #20
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Damn straight BS is not on President Obama's mind.. he has way more important things to Cha Jan 2016 #25
Like electing another corporatist. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #50
Love President Obama.. he's been an excellent President! Cha Jan 2016 #55
The guy supports the TPP. He is NOT an excellent president. That said he does do some good things. trillion Jan 2016 #75
Superpowers! JackRiddler Feb 2016 #103
They were 5 and 6 years old, forget the politics for once. sheshe2 Jan 2016 #24
Mahalo, she~ Cha Jan 2016 #26
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #27
Don't even bother, she.. just anonymous ignorant pot shots on the internet. Cha Jan 2016 #28
;) sheshe2 Jan 2016 #30
.. Cha Jan 2016 #31
Jury Decision ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #32
Wow.. that was close.. but no matter the jury came through.. Thank you, PTBL! Cha Jan 2016 #34
OMG! sheshe2 Jan 2016 #35
Neither did I.. Cha Jan 2016 #38
i was the one that alerted. Now, I am sure I will be targeted. ProudToBeLiberal Jan 2016 #40
Thank you. sheshe2 Jan 2016 #42
Thank you, again, PTBL! Cha Jan 2016 #56
+1,000 NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #68
Sorry to break up the persecution pity party, Arkana Jan 2016 #48
"Obama is already campaigning for Hill."? ... Really? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #51
President Obama thinks we're going to have a Strong Democratic Nominee so I'm Cha Jan 2016 #58
This is so much like yesterday's narrative ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #61
Or in other words, he has already chosen who he supports. Any pretense that it has anything to do GoneFishin Jan 2016 #52
The time is right for a major push mwrguy Jan 2016 #17
K & R Iliyah Jan 2016 #29
I have had major issues with this president and some of his policies Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #33
Most of the Democrats in pro-gun areas or states branford Jan 2016 #36
No, President Obama is speaking from his heart. Cha Jan 2016 #39
Possibly, but that doesn't change the political reality. branford Jan 2016 #41
No "possibly" about it. Cha Jan 2016 #43
Things are changing. Most people support gun control now. You can see the light at the end of the trillion Jan 2016 #76
You should be banned for interjecting facts! Lurks Often Jan 2016 #45
I love President Obama! Tortmaster Jan 2016 #44
So he wants to throw all the Dems here in Flyover Country under the bus? Odin2005 Jan 2016 #46
Reducing actual suicides in flyover country is what he's talking about BeyondGeography Jan 2016 #47
Yes, lets take away guns from hunters with depression because they might kill themselves. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #59
I see you read the story thoroughly BeyondGeography Jan 2016 #63
Since the suicide rate in France is about the same? CommonSenseDemocrat Jan 2016 #88
Asinine statement BeyondGeography Jan 2016 #92
Background checks are popular with gun owners. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #49
But not the NRA, and opposing the NRA is a political death wish in many areas. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #60
Those areas aren't going to vote for the Democrat ANYWAY. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #65
I LIVE in one of those areas and my representative IS a Democrat (Collin Peterson). Odin2005 Jan 2016 #66
Well then the NRA isn't as "Great And Powerful" as it claims. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #67
Magazine bans and rifle handgrip bans aren't. (n/t) benEzra Jan 2016 #69
Not with the folks who play army in the woods..... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #71
Not with the rest of us, either. benEzra Jan 2016 #73
So you'll vote Republican if the Democrats try to go after your guns? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #79
He may not. But he is saying the bazillion other rifle owners will. AgadorSparticus Jan 2016 #95
That whole "we must be moderate" argument ignores Obama winning twice.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #96
Geez. It's not always a corporate conspiracy. AgadorSparticus Feb 2016 #97
This is about bucking the Beltway Common Wisdom. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #98
I guess I just see some truth in that. What we want to believe and what the reality is are 2 AgadorSparticus Feb 2016 #99
That's why the public is angry. DC is playing the same tired game.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #100
Yep. People ARE angry. We see the fractured right and hence, the rise of the tea party. AgadorSparticus Feb 2016 #101
In a sane world the Koch Brother would be in jail. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #104
ThANK YOU OBAMA. lark Jan 2016 #53
I'm guessing they woudn't want his support. trof Jan 2016 #62
And that's what you call a shot 'cross the bow and leading the charge. K&R Number23 Jan 2016 #64
well that should disqualify Hillary PatrynXX Jan 2016 #70
Bravo, Mr. President. n/t Paper Roses Jan 2016 #72
Me either! And, no campaign donations to anyone who doesn't. trillion Jan 2016 #74
sigh EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #77
The goal is to close all loopholes so all sales have background checks. trillion Jan 2016 #80
that's not a goal EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #81
Thank you Mr. President JoFerret Jan 2016 #78
Now wait a minute. madfloridian Jan 2016 #83
I've been a strict critic of some this President's non-progressive policies. liberalnarb Jan 2016 #84
Symbolic bluestateguy Jan 2016 #86
I love our President. Tortmaster Jan 2016 #87
Chuck Todd asked, "Does this mean Obama doesn't support Bernie Sanders?".... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #89
Tim Russert must spin in his grave for any help he gave to Charles Todd -- a 'forever mistake' tomm2thumbs Jan 2016 #90
MTP was a debate about Trump vs Cruz at one point.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #91
Just another non-issue by Hillary supporters hoping to cloud the water daybranch Jan 2016 #93
Good statement, but is in necessary or beneficial at all? Amimnoch Jan 2016 #94
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #102
All the Democrats in second amendment friendly states let out a sigh of relief. Taitertots Feb 2016 #107
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