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joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
78. Proportionally, not from murder. Venezuela is 10x that of the US.
Thu May 31, 2012, 12:05 AM
May 2012

To make it clear, approximately 100k Venezuelans have been murdered by gangs or Chavez' own police or just other criminal violence over the past decade. At one point Chavez' own police were responsible for most of the kidnappings, and in fact to this day there are armed police checkpoints throughout Venezuela. A young woman was recently killed by the police because the driver thought the checkpoint was what I believe was a kidnapping ploy.

For perspective this would be as if 1 million Americans were murdered in the past decade. The real number is closer to 100k. With a country with 300 million people.

Suuure. Arctic Dave May 2012 #1
You denying he is very sick? hack89 May 2012 #2
Says who? Arctic Dave May 2012 #3
Three public appearances since mid-April hack89 May 2012 #12
Do you have a source or is that your own statistics? Arctic Dave May 2012 #26
Here you go hack89 May 2012 #30
So an appearance every two weeks, not bad for a guy who has been battling cancer. Arctic Dave May 2012 #33
Time will tell. nt hack89 May 2012 #47
On a long enough timeline we will all go toes up. Arctic Dave May 2012 #68
I suspect before the year is out. nt hack89 May 2012 #72
Extremely bad for someone who has for 11 years been in the spotlight, daily. joshcryer May 2012 #62
Well, I guess when it's your turn for radiation therapy you will show us how much better you are. Arctic Dave May 2012 #67
I don't know what that means. joshcryer May 2012 #69
Not wishing anything on you. Arctic Dave May 2012 #70
Exactly, well said. been there. crunch60 May 2012 #77
When my dad was dying of bone cancer JNelson6563 May 2012 #83
Venezuelan friend says he now appears for about 20 min, formerly for 8 hr. or so wordpix May 2012 #146
In 3 months, "Venezuela State Funeral for Chavez said to be 'Psy-Op' by Some" Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #5
The reporter is Dan Rather Mosby May 2012 #6
This story is supposedly from Dan Rather. dotymed May 2012 #9
People can have their personal opinions. unreadierLizard May 2012 #11
That "opinion" makes this an editorial, not a news story. JackRiddler May 2012 #109
I think when you squelch freedom of the press and political oppositon, that makes you a dictator. TheWraith May 2012 #16
You need to talk with DHS and the Pentagon about squelching press and opposition... JackRiddler May 2012 #111
Well, then, that would exclude Chavez, a democratically elected President in some of the cleanest sabrina 1 May 2012 #129
The Roman Republic elected dictators. ieoeja May 2012 #17
"This story is supposedly from Dan Rather" - Good grief, but that's silly. apocalypsehow May 2012 #22
Hey, how do we know it's the REAL Dan Rather & not some cyborg facsimile manufactured by the... Bad_Ronald May 2012 #114
That's a good point...probably sent back in time a' la "The Terminator" from the future... apocalypsehow May 2012 #121
For what it's worth, I think that's a quote there, and not Dan's view. joshcryer May 2012 #61
No, it doesn't. Arctic Dave May 2012 #25
Rather: 'Chavez is scarcer than a NY strip at a New Delhi barbecue' n/t RZM May 2012 #126
lol! Mosby May 2012 #128
Rather talks to an American audience Old Troop May 2012 #140
What's going to happen after Chavez is gone? Archae May 2012 #4
Election? Succession according to the VZ constitution? Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #7
I hope you're right, but I'm not counting on it. Archae May 2012 #8
the government left behind is what I am worried about Bacchus4.0 May 2012 #10
That depends on whether PSUV selects a successor before he dies. joshcryer May 2012 #59
I wouldn't wish it upon anyone either... lastlib May 2012 #13
Whacked reporting. Mika May 2012 #14
Most dictatorships have elections. hack89 May 2012 #15
You know one of the ways the USSR motivated voter turnout? TheWraith May 2012 #19
Of course, numerous posters have over the years pointed out to you EFerrari May 2012 #24
I was just pointing out that in general hack89 May 2012 #27
So I'll point out that democracies & elections often go together. Mika May 2012 #31
You thought it odd that the OP put elections and dictator in the same story hack89 May 2012 #48
That is definitely off, but if he is quoting the source, there... joshcryer May 2012 #55
WTF? gmpierce May 2012 #18
Probably a mistranslation AngryAmish May 2012 #20
Heh. joshcryer May 2012 #60
You all really ought to educate yourselves about Venezuela slackmaster May 2012 #21
Not gonna lose much shut-eye over the passing of this tyrannical scumbag. His tiny fan club here apocalypsehow May 2012 #23
What an ugly post. Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #28
Boo-hoo. n/t. apocalypsehow May 2012 #29
Assholism at it's most base. Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #101
Aaaaaahhh...there, there. It's not so bad as all that. Come now, let us hum the old song together: apocalypsehow May 2012 #108
so what scumbag tyranny has chavez engaged in.. frylock May 2012 #40
100k dead Venezuelans. joshcryer May 2012 #57
I bet at least 100,000 people have died in the US during the same period. nanabugg May 2012 #75
Proportionally, not from murder. Venezuela is 10x that of the US. joshcryer May 2012 #78
"For perspective this would be as if 1 million Americans were murdered in the past decade" ChangoLoa May 2012 #100
Yeah, just over 400k. The key is that the US is worst industrialized nation with murders. joshcryer May 2012 #141
"Incompetence" is not the same thing as tyranny. Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #102
No, but they go hand in hand. joshcryer May 2012 #142
The only fans that matter are the majority in Venezuela who seem to love polly7 May 2012 #95
Funny thing I've noticed about Discussion Boards: 99% of opinions offered mean absolutely nothing apocalypsehow May 2012 #110
So this is why you have 9,419 posts? JackRiddler May 2012 #115
So this why you have 18,271 posts? apocalypsehow May 2012 #120
I'm not the one who claims message boards are 99% worthless. JackRiddler May 2012 #125
Except no "bullshit" got refuted. An opinion was posted and another poster stated it meant apocalypsehow May 2012 #130
You win! Congrats! JackRiddler May 2012 #132
That's nice. A cup of coffee would be nicer though - think I'll go make some. n/t. apocalypsehow May 2012 #135
the Cuban government are the ones most worried Bacchus4.0 May 2012 #32
I wish I could read what Cubans were saying about this on Cuban chat forums or their blogs. msanthrope May 2012 #35
they installed that undersea internet cable almost a year ago now but.... Bacchus4.0 May 2012 #37
LOL. That's not THE Mariela Castro twitter feed. Mika May 2012 #38
You are right!!! OMG!! I think I found the real one and it's even better! thank you! nt msanthrope May 2012 #43
There is an increasing number of Cuban bloggers. They think Chavez' free money ending... joshcryer May 2012 #49
The very poor and disenfranchised dotymed May 2012 #34
Chavez has never suspended press freedom. EFerrari May 2012 #36
Amazing that that canard is still posted here. Mika May 2012 #39
Hey, Mika! EFerrari May 2012 #41
Which one? The bullshit that RCTV was more culpable than Venevisión? joshcryer May 2012 #53
thanks for correcting that misinformation from the chavistas here n/t Bacchus4.0 May 2012 #93
a top-shelf tyrannical scumbag would've lined those fuckers up and had them publicly executed.. frylock May 2012 #42
Except RCTV didn't host the coupsters but Venevisión did. Why wasn't their license revoked? joshcryer May 2012 #52
No one's license was revoked. RCTV's license expired and was not renewed. JackRiddler May 2012 #113
OK, so, why wasn't Venevisión's license not renewed for hosting the coupsters? joshcryer May 2012 #143
Oh, snap! Propaganga pwned! Odin2005 May 2012 #64
That BS RCTV story is trotted out every damn time... joshcryer May 2012 #65
No, never, he just tolerates his red shirts and fans when they go break some journalists' jaws ChangoLoa May 2012 #99
If that is happening, it's wrong. n/t EFerrari May 2012 #104
Besides the highest murder rate in the region, food shortages and record inflation hack89 May 2012 #50
Not the highest murder rate in the region: Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #103
13 times the US rate with a 30% increase in one year. hack89 May 2012 #105
Which is not what you stated. You said Venezuela had the highest murder rate in the region. Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #147
The point is that Venezuela has become a violent crime ridden society under Chavez hack89 May 2012 #149
The region would be South America... EX500rider May 2012 #144
Dan Rather calles President Chavez "The Dictator"? WTF? Prometheus Bound May 2012 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2012 #45
No - the world will be a better place without him hack89 May 2012 #51
How will it be a better place? Please tell how. nanabugg May 2012 #74
Identifying with the 1%, not just for Republicans. n/t EFerrari May 2012 #80
While dictator is most likely too strong a term for Chavez hack89 May 2012 #87
LOL ! polly7 May 2012 #96
Feel free to show me what facts are wrong. nt hack89 May 2012 #98
Same thing was said about the death of Saddam. How is the world a better place since he was killed nanabugg May 2012 #76
Here's one way. Psephos May 2012 #81
"A few good things" doesn't mean the world is better off. Point? nt nanabugg May 2012 #90
I said "one way." Point? n/t Psephos May 2012 #118
Ask the Iraqis hack89 May 2012 #84
Which Iraqis did you ask? Most hate that their country is in shambles from US invasion. nt nanabugg May 2012 #89
I disagree hack89 May 2012 #91
I will be unhappy if he dies before the elections. joshcryer May 2012 #54
With their usual class, no kidding. n/t EFerrari May 2012 #58
I suspect a lot one handed typing i this thread. JNelson6563 May 2012 #86
Has he groomed a successor? relative or otherwise chosen right hand ? may3rd May 2012 #46
The "article" is a couple of paragraphs. He has not named a successor. joshcryer May 2012 #56
I fear a RW coup will happen soon after Hugo dies. Odin2005 May 2012 #63
Chavista's control all aspects of government. What "right wing group" are you thinking of? joshcryer May 2012 #66
'...cancer that has "entered the end stage"...' unkachuck May 2012 #71
Any report (Dan Rather or not) that equates Chavez with "dictator" is unreliable. Peace Patriot May 2012 #73
If "it is doubtful the dictator will live to see the results" was in quotes... joshcryer May 2012 #79
If he dies after being elected, Jaua would become president... for a couple of months ChangoLoa May 2012 #82
thanks for that clarification on succession n/t Bacchus4.0 May 2012 #92
thank you inna May 2012 #85
While dictator is most likely too strong a term for Chavez hack89 May 2012 #88
Wow, you've really bought a lot disinformation about Chavez! Peace Patriot May 2012 #119
All will be moot in a couple of months. hack89 May 2012 #122
What Peace Patriot said. Octafish May 2012 #97
My sister-in-law has sarcoma adigal May 2012 #94
This is not a news story. This thread should be moved to GD. JackRiddler May 2012 #106
"Propaganda by definition" = I disagree with it. nt hack89 May 2012 #107
What if the story called the elected president of the US a dictator? JackRiddler May 2012 #112
In this case, the fact of the story is Hugo's cancer hack89 May 2012 #116
Ahem, I asked a question. What if... JackRiddler May 2012 #133
If calling him dictator had no real relevence to the main thrust of the story hack89 May 2012 #136
LOL. Disliking Chavez is 'hate speech?' RZM May 2012 #127
No, and please don't put words in my mouth. JackRiddler May 2012 #131
I put no words in your mouth RZM May 2012 #134
Gawd, how I love these Chavez threads on DU Bad_Ronald May 2012 #117
Sigh... bitchkitty May 2012 #123
It's newsworthy. hack89 May 2012 #124
Um, Hugo Chavez was probably the most important politician on this continent EFerrari May 2012 #137
Give me a fucking break hack89 May 2012 #138
to you, Ahmadenijad, Castro, and Gadafi that is n/t Bacchus4.0 May 2012 #139
We are so indoctrinated and so cut off from the rest of the world regarding sabrina 1 May 2012 #145
Venezuela stills sells us oil just like always Bacchus4.0 May 2012 #148
Venezuela controls its own resources, selling it to us doesn't mean they don't control it. sabrina 1 May 2012 #150
We don't have food shortages, high inflation and record levels of violent crime hack89 Jun 2012 #152
Apparently his people disagree with you. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #153
The Greeks were living the high life until the bills had to be paid. hack89 Jun 2012 #154
And the Spanish, the Italians, the Portugese, the British, the Irish sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #155
He has a puckish sense of humor I totally appreciated. aquart Jun 2012 #157
Well here's to hoping that venezuela can move on... hrmjustin May 2012 #151
The ad on this page is for Sloan Kettering. aquart Jun 2012 #156
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