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Svafa

(594 posts)
19. For everyone demanding a link
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 01:33 PM
Mar 2016

to research that Millan's approach is inappropriate, here ya go:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=950CE3DF1E3EF932A0575BC0A9609C8B63

The notion of the ''alpha pack leader'' dominating all other pack members is derived from studies of captive packs of unrelated wolves and thus bears no relationship to the social structure of natural packs, according to L. David Mech, one of the world's leading wolf experts. In the wild, the alpha wolves are merely the breeding pair, and the pack is generally comprised of their juvenile offspring and pups.

''The typical wolf pack,'' Dr. Mech wrote in The Canadian Journal of Zoology in 1999, ''is a family, with the adult parents guiding the activities of a group in a division-of-labor system.'' In a natural wolf pack, ''dominance contests with other wolves are rare, if they exist at all,'' he writes.

That's a far cry from the dominance model that Mr. Millan attributes to the innate need of dogs by way of wolves.


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1558787808001159

https://drsophiayin.com/philosophy/dominance/

http://4pawsu.com/dogpsychology.htm

My mom's Rough Collie was ruined by a trainer who used Millan's methods without regarding the fact that the breed is known to be "soft" and should never be trained with harsh methods. I detest Cesar Millan and his approach. It is outdated; veterinarians and animal behaviorists know that positive reward-based training is far more effective and that dominating a dog can make aggression issues worse--or even cause aggression in a dog that never before showed signs of it (which is what happened with my mother's dog).
Dumbass. Cesar knows you train roody Mar 2016 #1
Dumbass. OnyxCollie Mar 2016 #2
I find this ridiculous. The follow up video with the dog shows that it has been completely Live and Learn Mar 2016 #3
Because, yeah - videos made to promote someone/their product/brand never lie. Myrina Mar 2016 #6
As do posts and videos made to make someone look bad. nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #8
So the attack by the dog didn't happen? Tempest Mar 2016 #11
So what? It's what dogs do. harun Mar 2016 #25
Key words: Follow Up Tempest Mar 2016 #10
He is a quack... targetpractice Mar 2016 #4
^ agree 100% Myrina Mar 2016 #5
I haven't owned dogs for years and got 2 in the last 2 years. I have been OregonBlue Mar 2016 #13
Same here. Stepdaughter is using his methods to train her new puppy, and they work just fine. shrike Mar 2016 #14
Yes, bullying can be effective... But it's not the right thing to do. targetpractice Mar 2016 #34
Good lord. I don't even know why I'm responding. Your concern is duly noted. My stepdaughter, better shrike Mar 2016 #53
I apologize... targetpractice Mar 2016 #54
Apology accepted. Very rare in DU and in real life. Thanks. n/t shrike Mar 2016 #56
Agreed. Our little ones are just the happiest dogs you can imagine. Can't think why anyone would OregonBlue Mar 2016 #55
postive, reward-based training is the only way to go dorkzilla Mar 2016 #7
"but i think he does care for the dogs at least" Tempest Mar 2016 #12
Very true! nt dorkzilla Mar 2016 #18
Yes... I've never had to discipline my rescue dog... targetpractice Mar 2016 #31
Same here dorkzilla Mar 2016 #44
Um, no Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #32
Um, duh dorkzilla Mar 2016 #42
Your reply shows that you do not even know what I mean by bitework Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #43
I know what you mean by bitework dorkzilla Mar 2016 #45
And what exactly is "training in general" Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #50
Basic training dorkzilla Mar 2016 #51
"Latest research"? Android3.14 Mar 2016 #16
This book is a great compilation of the latest research targetpractice Mar 2016 #28
Got a link? Because his methods are repetitious and from what I can tell ffr Mar 2016 #17
There is no "alpha of a pack" in a dog's mind. How would you like to be "nudged" by someone... targetpractice Mar 2016 #29
For everyone demanding a link Svafa Mar 2016 #19
Thanks. targetpractice Mar 2016 #27
the accuser carefully covers all the sounds, including Cesar's explanations of why magical thyme Mar 2016 #9
Good point about livestock and dogs. I grew up on a farm shrike Mar 2016 #15
As a sighthound owner, I know that some dogs Svafa Mar 2016 #20
I agree; it's impossible to reliably "train out" an extremely high prey drive magical thyme Mar 2016 #21
I definitely agree that there are much safer ways both Svafa Mar 2016 #22
I'm not biased either way magical thyme Mar 2016 #23
Yes you can, but the dog may never be 100% Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #33
My dog is never allowed off leash... a la izquierda Mar 2016 #36
A la izquierda... targetpractice Mar 2016 #40
I hope the owner doesn't get any more pet pigs untill that old dog passes away. Sunlei Mar 2016 #24
this debate about training methods reminds me TheDormouse Mar 2016 #26
Correct... targetpractice Mar 2016 #30
How many dogs have you trained to exceptionally high levels of performance? Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #35
You are correct. My dogs are my companions. targetpractice Mar 2016 #37
Dogs are working animals, just like horses Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #38
Okay... With due respect, we are on different planets about this subject. targetpractice Mar 2016 #39
How do you know what I believe? Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #41
If you don't like training dogs to serve humans treestar Mar 2016 #48
Actually, my point was that many hold to their views on this TheDormouse Mar 2016 #52
It doesn't sound like it was intentional on his part treestar Mar 2016 #46
AFAIK the dog he was training bit a pigs ear. joshcryer Mar 2016 #47
Even the most experienced trainers sometimes misread an animal. bklyncowgirl Mar 2016 #49
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