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Drahthaardogs

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32. Um, no
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 09:45 PM
Mar 2016

I have played the doggie games for years and have multiple tests, trials, and competitions to my name. I love cookie training; however, to have a highly trained animal that is almost always dependable, there must be negative as well as positive reinforcement. Any trainer who tells you otherwise is full of it.

Take bitework. You have a high prey drive dog now latched hard onto the sleeve. Getting it to release via "positive reinforcement only" is not only silly, but dangerous. The dog has to know when the release command is given, it means NOW. A good trainer can still use pressure applied correctly to actually make it kind of a game for the dog. The faster you release, the faster the pressure goes away.

Anyway, too much to really post here, but you are wrong.

Dumbass. Cesar knows you train roody Mar 2016 #1
Dumbass. OnyxCollie Mar 2016 #2
I find this ridiculous. The follow up video with the dog shows that it has been completely Live and Learn Mar 2016 #3
Because, yeah - videos made to promote someone/their product/brand never lie. Myrina Mar 2016 #6
As do posts and videos made to make someone look bad. nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #8
So the attack by the dog didn't happen? Tempest Mar 2016 #11
So what? It's what dogs do. harun Mar 2016 #25
Key words: Follow Up Tempest Mar 2016 #10
He is a quack... targetpractice Mar 2016 #4
^ agree 100% Myrina Mar 2016 #5
I haven't owned dogs for years and got 2 in the last 2 years. I have been OregonBlue Mar 2016 #13
Same here. Stepdaughter is using his methods to train her new puppy, and they work just fine. shrike Mar 2016 #14
Yes, bullying can be effective... But it's not the right thing to do. targetpractice Mar 2016 #34
Good lord. I don't even know why I'm responding. Your concern is duly noted. My stepdaughter, better shrike Mar 2016 #53
I apologize... targetpractice Mar 2016 #54
Apology accepted. Very rare in DU and in real life. Thanks. n/t shrike Mar 2016 #56
Agreed. Our little ones are just the happiest dogs you can imagine. Can't think why anyone would OregonBlue Mar 2016 #55
postive, reward-based training is the only way to go dorkzilla Mar 2016 #7
"but i think he does care for the dogs at least" Tempest Mar 2016 #12
Very true! nt dorkzilla Mar 2016 #18
Yes... I've never had to discipline my rescue dog... targetpractice Mar 2016 #31
Same here dorkzilla Mar 2016 #44
Um, no Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #32
Um, duh dorkzilla Mar 2016 #42
Your reply shows that you do not even know what I mean by bitework Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #43
I know what you mean by bitework dorkzilla Mar 2016 #45
And what exactly is "training in general" Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #50
Basic training dorkzilla Mar 2016 #51
"Latest research"? Android3.14 Mar 2016 #16
This book is a great compilation of the latest research targetpractice Mar 2016 #28
Got a link? Because his methods are repetitious and from what I can tell ffr Mar 2016 #17
There is no "alpha of a pack" in a dog's mind. How would you like to be "nudged" by someone... targetpractice Mar 2016 #29
For everyone demanding a link Svafa Mar 2016 #19
Thanks. targetpractice Mar 2016 #27
the accuser carefully covers all the sounds, including Cesar's explanations of why magical thyme Mar 2016 #9
Good point about livestock and dogs. I grew up on a farm shrike Mar 2016 #15
As a sighthound owner, I know that some dogs Svafa Mar 2016 #20
I agree; it's impossible to reliably "train out" an extremely high prey drive magical thyme Mar 2016 #21
I definitely agree that there are much safer ways both Svafa Mar 2016 #22
I'm not biased either way magical thyme Mar 2016 #23
Yes you can, but the dog may never be 100% Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #33
My dog is never allowed off leash... a la izquierda Mar 2016 #36
A la izquierda... targetpractice Mar 2016 #40
I hope the owner doesn't get any more pet pigs untill that old dog passes away. Sunlei Mar 2016 #24
this debate about training methods reminds me TheDormouse Mar 2016 #26
Correct... targetpractice Mar 2016 #30
How many dogs have you trained to exceptionally high levels of performance? Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #35
You are correct. My dogs are my companions. targetpractice Mar 2016 #37
Dogs are working animals, just like horses Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #38
Okay... With due respect, we are on different planets about this subject. targetpractice Mar 2016 #39
How do you know what I believe? Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #41
If you don't like training dogs to serve humans treestar Mar 2016 #48
Actually, my point was that many hold to their views on this TheDormouse Mar 2016 #52
It doesn't sound like it was intentional on his part treestar Mar 2016 #46
AFAIK the dog he was training bit a pigs ear. joshcryer Mar 2016 #47
Even the most experienced trainers sometimes misread an animal. bklyncowgirl Mar 2016 #49
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