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In reply to the discussion: Republican financier Koch says Clinton might make better president [View all]happyslug
(14,779 posts)Remember Trump opposes many of the laws, the Kochs support. For Example Trump SUPPORTS Social Security, something the Kochs (and by that term I include their father) has opposed since the 1930s. Trump's money was made in Real Estate, that he sees no value in the TransPacific Free Trade procedure and thus has come out against it. Trump had fought many a union in his rise to fame and wealth, but he has also dealt with them and understand their value to society.
Yes, Trump is a racist and wants to build a wall between the US and Mexico, but he is more left wing in economic matters then is Hillary Clinton. People on this board complain about African Americans NOT voting their pocket books by supporting Hillary over Sanders, but Trump supporters are voting their pocket books, thus Trump's support is as deep as the support for Sanders. The Support for Hillary and Cruz are NOT as deep. Right now, Cruz is losing to Trump, but Hillary is winning over Sanders but that is more an indication of preference than any deep support.
Thus many a supporter of Trump and Sanders will NOT even vote this fall if their candidate is NOT on the ballot. Hillary has to be careful for many Sanders supporters see Trump as their second choice not Hillary. The supporters of Sanders and Trump are indication that a sizable portion of the American People want radical change, change that they first indicated they wanted by voting in Obama. That desire to change is still in existence and Hillary and Cruz do NOT represent any change economically, and it is economic change that people want.
In many ways I compare this election to the election of 1896, when the Democratic Party selected what they considered a radical , in terms of economics, as their Presidential Candidate. The GOP won that election through outspending the Democratic Party almost 10 to 1 and then by massive cheating (The 1896 election was the first election with the Secret Ballot, which permits massive cheating by simply losing votes, or counting them as double voting as thus not valid). In 1900 the same candidates were selected again, but this time the GOP had to address the radical positions of the Democratic Party, by putting Theodore Roosevelt as the VP candidate (you can only cheat so much, once the cheating gets beyond 2 to 3% of the vote, it become to obvious, thus cheating is used to win marginal election not build landslides or stop landslides).
After 1900 the Progressive era was in full swing. The Democratic Party leading the charge for change (and at the same time keeping its base in the South happy by making Segregation the Law as to Federal Jobs when the Democratic Party won the White House and Congress in 1912, while passing the Constitutional Amendment permitting Income Taxation). This radical was temporally reduced in the 1920s, but came back in force in the 1930s under the New Deal. Herbert Hoover, the last GOP President before Franklin Roosevelt, called the New Deal "Bryanism without Bryan" basically pointing out that the New Deal had bee the Democratic Party's aim since it named Bryan as its Candidate in 1896).
Thus this election is the most like 1896, a Democratic revolt against the Democratic Leadership, a revolt that appears to have massive support among people under age 50. That was the same group that supported Bryan in 1896, rejecting the old old line "me to" Democrats of Grover Cleveland. Unlike 1896 it appears the revolt will fail to get the nomination, but it is clearly a revolt that has legs and will become stronger as the years go by. Thus 1896 lead to the Democratic Victory in 1912 and again in 1932. Thus the fact Bernie losses this year, will have little affect on the Revolt, just like Bryan's defeat in 1896 had little affect on his revolution that slowly converted the Democratic Party form a "me to" party to the GOP, to a working class oriented part it become after 1896 (Yes, the Democratic Party of 1896 was also a racist party, but it slowly put its racism behind economics as the later clearly became more important to more and more voters after 1896).
I bring this up for Trump and Sanders are the wave of the Future for both Parties, just like Bryan and Theodore Roosevelt were the wave of the Future for both Parties in the 1890s.