Because you WANT it to? (Reply #110) - Democratic Underground

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Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:32 AM

randome (34,845 posts)

110. Because you WANT it to?

I've finally realized why every conversation about something OWS does devolves into arguments over its very purpose.

It's because even its most vocal proponents realize that not everything done in the name of OWS is a good thing and they are in denial about it.

We all want to believe in something greater than ourselves that we can belong to and support and nurture for a better society.

So far, OWS is a bland representation of that desire. It has done some good but it falters as often as it succeeds.

Can anyone tell me what the point of sneaking into Zuccotti Park was? If it was just to insist that OWS has relevance, then they have already lost that fight.

Of course, according to many OWS proponents, OWS has already won so I guess you could say...game over.

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135 replies	Author	Time	Post
Occupy Wall Street just reoccupied Zucotti Park! [View all]	backscatter712	Dec 2011	OP
From the New York Times	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2011	#1
Happy News Year!	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#119
"A police commander announced through a megaphone that the park, which is normally open 24 hours	midnight	Jan 2012	#127
Great new year's news!	villager	Dec 2011	#2
Oh gosh, I just saw the post made after this one first. About all hell breaking loose.	freshwest	Dec 2011	#4
I'm streaming what's going on on Timcast	sandyd921	Dec 2011	#3
Thanks, it looks like everything's cool now.	freshwest	Dec 2011	#5
Thanks for the link...	midnight	Jan 2012	#128
This is pretty great.	Renew Deal	Dec 2011	#6
Love it! ... Go Occupy!	Bozita	Jan 2012	#7
I love that they tore down all the barricades and stacked them	Warpy	Jan 2012	#8
garden shears	certainot	Jan 2012	#20
The Future Awaits/The Struggle Continues	Bluenorthwest	Jan 2012	#9
Happy Occupied New Year to you too!	sandyd921	Jan 2012	#11
Hopefully, EVERYONE will Occupy	dotymed	Jan 2012	#14
Good. It's a fairly mild night, but the cold is coming.	onehandle	Jan 2012	#10
Just imagine what we can do starting in the spring!	mvd	Jan 2012	#18
WOOT!!!	Odin2005	Jan 2012	#12
Timcast showing what looks like an electronic board down the street with an upraised fist on it...	freshwest	Jan 2012	#13
Right on!! [nt]	Jester Messiah	Jan 2012	#15
The streaming has been difficult but so inspiring every time	Cleita	Jan 2012	#16
Good time in NYC	4dsc	Jan 2012	#17
Great way to begin the New Year! Happy New Year, OWS! nt	gateley	Jan 2012	#19
2AM eastern time	Generic Other	Jan 2012	#21
This is the year	Mosaic	Jan 2012	#22
Away we go!	GliderGuider	Jan 2012	#24
yay! (n/t)	a2liberal	Jan 2012	#23
God bless OWS!!	Jack Rabbit	Jan 2012	#25
I try to support them but...	SkyLlama	Jan 2012	#26
The true heroes of 2011 are in Wisconsin.	randome	Jan 2012	#27
Sure they are. Absolutely! That said, 2011 and 2012 are turning out to be years when	tavalon	Jan 2012	#28
Especially some of those brave souls collecting signatures in Waukesha...	midnight	Jan 2012	#130
You frame your post in such a way that I find offensive	Speed8098	Jan 2012	#30
+99 (n/t)	klook	Jan 2012	#32
And you hit the nail on the head! n/t	sandyd921	Jan 2012	#39
Thank you!	stopwastingmymoney	Jan 2012	#44
Will they help take the country back from the fascists in this year's elections?	Doctor_J	Jan 2012	#46
It's a start	unlawflcombatnt	Jan 2012	#48
The efforts in Wisconsin are making real differences.	randome	Jan 2012	#50
The two organizations are not mutually exclusive. nt	Fantastic Anarchist	Jan 2012	#79
It made a difference to the union workers who lost 2 days wages not much else	Synicus Maximus	Jan 2012	#77
they didn't lose wages -- they were compensated because	Remember Me	Jan 2012	#87
I'm not the "Magic 8 Ball" but "All signs point to yes"	Speed8098	Jan 2012	#57
You need to come back to reality	Doctor_J	Jan 2012	#65
Reality? I'm there and you're welcome to visit.	Speed8098	Jan 2012	#93
The Civil Rights Movement took forever to get to passage	JDPriestly	Jan 2012	#88
The civil rights movement did not sneak around at night like OWS did in NYC.	randome	Jan 2012	#91
Given the LONG history you were just given	nadinbrzezinski	Jan 2012	#129
Were you there during the civil rights movement?	JDPriestly	Jan 2012	#134
Well Said	unlawflcombatnt	Jan 2012	#47
1000	JDPriestly	Jan 2012	#135
What you said . . .	Jack Rabbit	Jan 2012	#51
great post	dana_b	Jan 2012	#64
The things you mention are already well known, aren't they?	treestar	Jan 2012	#71
They have changed the dialog in our country. People are now talking about the income inequality	peacebird	Jan 2012	#31
I've heard plenty about that before	treestar	Jan 2012	#72
in the mainstream??? i sure haven't. they went out of their way	ejpoeta	Jan 2012	#78
So is it really happening in the mainstream now?	treestar	Jan 2012	#114
Problem is that if you want to look at THE MEDIA, as in the ELITE MEDIA	nadinbrzezinski	Jan 2012	#83
Well you are talking about them aren't you?	lunatica	Jan 2012	#33
They are getting attention for occupying the park	treestar	Jan 2012	#73
That is because you are not paying attention	nadinbrzezinski	Jan 2012	#84
If that's all you 'see' then your not looking very hard	lunatica	Jan 2012	#94
This thread was originally about the New Year's Eve re-invasion of Zuccotti Park.	randome	Jan 2012	#95
I've seen those	treestar	Jan 2012	#108
I will ask you this seriously	nadinbrzezinski	Jan 2012	#125
Try harder.	Warren Stupidity	Jan 2012	#41
Sad but true	Doctor_J	Jan 2012	#45
I'm sorry, what have you accomplished again?	Zhade	Jan 2012	#52
lol n/t	OneGrassRoot	Jan 2012	#54
You're just not paying attention --	Remember Me	Jan 2012	#86
"The 'wisdom' of not having an agenda"?	randome	Jan 2012	#92
If you'd read it, perhaps you'd understand	Remember Me	Jan 2012	#126
Just because I hate lies	nadinbrzezinski	Jan 2012	#131
Somehow I don't think you try very hard.	Doremus	Jan 2012	#90
I support them....	midnight	Jan 2012	#133
What's going on this New Year's Morning?	SpiralHawk	Jan 2012	#29
kick'd and rec'd	lunatica	Jan 2012	#34
They should fight their battles in Washington, not over a stupid barricade.	blueclown	Jan 2012	#35
...	Fire Walk With Me	Jan 2012	#37
As reported frequently byTim last night.	freshwest	Jan 2012	#55
Re-invading parks is NOT the only method the disenfranchised have.	randome	Jan 2012	#56
Is it really an either/or choice?	Mister Ed	Jan 2012	#58
What was last night's message?	randome	Jan 2012	#60
Nothing that you can see. n/t	Mister Ed	Jan 2012	#63
Well, we've certainly got your attention.	Fantastic Anarchist	Jan 2012	#81
Most of these groups support each other. WI is not alone in people taking legislative action.	freshwest	Jan 2012	#61
Financial big-wigs, like corporations, are Mindless Greed Machines.	randome	Jan 2012	#62
Yeah, but they started off basically sitting in in the State Capital and people jeered at them then	lunatica	Jan 2012	#96
They took the protest directly to the people responsible.	randome	Jan 2012	#98
It got you talking about it didn't it?	lunatica	Jan 2012	#99
Very obviously, I do not have audio on this computer.	Fire Walk With Me	Jan 2012	#59
Rec this poster -	TBF	Jan 2012	#76
I love that graphic!	Fantastic Anarchist	Jan 2012	#80
LOVE this poster!	calimary	Jan 2012	#85
Yep. for all the claim that somehow they've made a difference	treestar	Jan 2012	#74
Sometimes they remind me of a thousand Michael Palins.	randome	Jan 2012	#75
lol.... meemur neeb-nub	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#102
Surging Back Into Zuccotti Park, Protesters Are Cleared by Police	dipsydoodle	Jan 2012	#36
I feared that would happen. But the statement has been made.	SlimJimmy	Jan 2012	#38
Unless there's something wrong with my maths	dipsydoodle	Jan 2012	#40
I didn't look at the time stamp, I was just reacting to the reply.	SlimJimmy	Jan 2012	#42
I then realised	dipsydoodle	Jan 2012	#43
What statement? "We are rapidly becoming irrelevant"?	hack89	Jan 2012	#89
The statement they made was that they were still alive and kicking. (nt)	SlimJimmy	Jan 2012	#100
They also demonstrated weakness. nt	hack89	Jan 2012	#101
You Wish	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#103
I wish not - that's the problem. nt	hack89	Jan 2012	#107
oh now... don't be so dishonest. Have Courage behind your convictions	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#109
I support the goals of OWS. I think less of their tactics. Sorry I can't pass your purity test. nt	hack89	Jan 2012	#112
lol... sure, sure you do	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#117
So - can I still be a progressive with my current attitude towards OWS?	hack89	Jan 2012	#118
you failed because your pov is anti-progressive	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#121
So it is anti-liberal to voice any criticism of OWS? Can I still be a Democrat? nt	hack89	Jan 2012	#122
ONE MESSAGE: NATIONALIZE THE MONEY CENTER BANKS!!!!!!!	BenYehuda	Jan 2012	#49
K & R! n/t	RoccoR5955	Jan 2012	#53
Oh, I'm aroused!	Fantastic Anarchist	Jan 2012	#66
And maybe a little bit drunk, too?	randome	Jan 2012	#67
Not a logical deduction.	Fantastic Anarchist	Jan 2012	#82
ZING!	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#105
does it bother you that this person supports the OCCUPY MOVEMENT?	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#104
k&r n/t	RobertBlue	Jan 2012	#68
lol! happy new year	Zorra	Jan 2012	#69
Police surrounding and arresting people now - lawyer just arrested for not putting his phone away!	RueVoltaire	Jan 2012	#70
K&R	unionworks	Jan 2012	#97
This Movement will get LARGER	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#106
Because you WANT it to?	randome	Jan 2012	#110
It will, and yes I want it to, so I support it.	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#113
Why would I trust you?	randome	Jan 2012	#115
didn't ask you to trust me.... why would anyone here take you seriously?	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#116
You did ask me to trust you. Read your own post.	randome	Jan 2012	#120
it's a figure of speech... try harder next time	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#123
You are running all over this thread, trying to put out too many 'fires'.	randome	Jan 2012	#124
One active occupation, and now 10 non physical in my county	nadinbrzezinski	Jan 2012	#132
Kicked and recommended.	Uncle Joe	Jan 2012	#111

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