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Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
9. I never knew anything about Schafer until I saw the movie.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 09:09 AM
Sep 2016

My brother in law tipped me off to the movie, because I had shown him an article a long time ago about the Assemblies of God and Moonies proselytizing to Chileans under Pinochet. I don't own a book on Guyana, the pre-war nazi connection, and post Jonestown Hmong resettlement, so I can't give a good hard copy citation on those issues. Looking up the info on line just gives me French Guiana resettlement of Hmong. Which stands to reason, since the Montagnards were French Indochina allies.

The only source I could see online for the British Guyana Hmong is John Judge, and I never trusted him. Here's one that talks about a 1980 failed attempt at Hmong settlement, but rightwing US intel has nothing but time and money, so they could have soldiered on with their efforts after '80:
http://www.guyana.org/features/postindependence/chapter15.html

"The plan to settle Cambodian refugees in Guyana

The murder-suicide of the 914 Jonestown settlers foiled any plan to use the settlement as a "buffer". However, the PNC regime, from December 1979, again secretly arranged with organizations closely allied with US political policies, to settle members of the Hmong tribe from south-east Asia in the Waini-Yarakita district north-west of Jonestown. The fiercely anti-communist Hmong tribesmen (also called Meos), had become "refugees" from Kampuchea (Cambodia) after they joined American, and later Chinese and other anti-nationalist forces, in fighting against the patriotic forces and their Vietnamese allies who were batting against the genocidal Pol Pot regime in Kampuchea (Cambodia). Apparently, here again, the plan was for the USA to offer assistance to the Hmong tribesmen and their PNC sponsors in resisting armed Venezuelan encroachment on Guyanese territory.

Lengthy protest articles on the proposed Hmong settlement issue appeared during April 1980 in a number of leading newspapers in Britain, Canada and the USA. The Mirror of 18 May 1980 stated that British journalist, Greg Chamberlain, in an article under the caption "Guyana Alert on Refugees" in the British Guardian stated that Venezuela had warned the Guyana Government not to go ahead with the settlement plan in what Venezuela said was a disputed frontier region.

However, the Hmong settlement plan backfired after the PPP discovered and exposed the secret agreement, and public outcry caused the Government to officially abort the scheme on the 6 May 1980. In exposing the scheme, the PPP pointed to the possibility that the Hmong could also be used to assist the regime in battling any popular uprising in Guyana. "

I don't know what to make of Guyana.org, if it actually represents the nation of Guyana, or is a counterfeit.

I came upon Townley connections to Colonia Dignidad, here: https://theamericanscholar.org/the-torture-colony/

"Colonia Dignidad, according to a former DINA agent assigned there in the mid-1970s, maintained powerful radio equipment, facilitating communication between DINA commanders in Chile and their agent saboteurs and assassins stationed abroad. In 2005, Michael Townley, an American expatriate and former DINA officer implicated in several high-profile assassinations and bombings, testified to a Chilean judge that the Colonia had also housed a secret laboratory, where government scientists developed chemical weapons. Schaefer’s primary contribution to Pinochet’s operations, however, came in the instruction of DINA agents in the science of torture. Soon after the coup, arrested political dissidents began to disappear into Colonia Dignidad."

One of the other on-line sites said that Townley was a torturer and executioner at Colonia D. I think that's the reason he was called to testify at the trial. The prosecution probably figured he'd already ratted other evil ops he was involved with out, so why not use him again? That's what the gov does with high profile mob stoolies, too.

Regarding the odd German Austrian Bavarian enclaves in South America, Conrad's Nostromo described the large number of turn of the century German and Italian emigrees to Latin America, so I guess that was a natural place for the losing WWII nazis to run to and blend in with the crowd.

I know there are plenty of great Germans in Germany and Latin America, too. Like the young couple depicted in the movie, and this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Schneider , for example. But most of their bad nazis ones are definitely in bed with the rightwing nazi part of our intel.

Your line -- "The Americas have always been used as a warehouse for US greedy interests. They don't feel they should have to pay for any of the theft of resources, or cheap labor, or protection for workers, either. It has always been open season on everyone, everything but the oligarchs there who are happy to sell out their countrymen/women for power and prestige. " -- says it all.

Everything else is just a hair raising, nauseating description of the mechanics used to achieve those end results. Cults, drugs, torture, guns, murder, nazism, a real pattern seems to be emerging. They're not tough, they're ruthlessly evil and violent when they have the upper hand, and cowards all the rest of the time. Almost nobody in the world likes them or is on their side. They can never stand up proudly and say "I'm a big Nazi, and I'm proud of it!" Occasionally, they get their 10% of a population on board and sieze power and pull this evil crap, but then their 10% eventually breaks up and crumbles, and they lose, and run away.

They're sneaky while they're in power, then they sneak off to avoid their well deserved war crimes charges. I do feel terrible and sorry for the suffering their victims go through while the creeps have power, but the people inside those countries and outside, raising cain about the US corporate and intel involvement, do win eventually. It's a shame the arc of the moral universe was so much longer for Pinochet and Schafer than it was for their idol Hitler. Ditto for the bushs and their bosses. And der drumpenfuhrer.

The US knew everthing Pinochet knew, I think you're right about that. He was their creature, he always cooperated fully with them, they publicized his "great" governing moves and "Chicago Boys" economic lab experiments, the rightwingers in our gov and intel gave him massive money weapons and logistical aid. When our nazis said jump he didn't ask how high, he was already in the air.

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