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DFW

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16. Vietnam haunted Bud Zumwalt until the end of his life

Reply to FairWinds (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 2, 2016, 12:18 PM

Oct 2016

Monsanto had assured him that Agent Orange was safe to humans, which is why he authorized it use in the first place. His son, Elmo, Jr. Died horribly from the effects of contact with it. Zumwalt never forgave Monsanto or himself for his son's death.

Sneering is easy 50 years after the fact and in present context. Ask all the women and black sailors who finally got the chance to become officers when Zumwalt introduced the notion, against massive resistance from the Pentagon and Nixon, if they think Zumwalt deserved to be sneered at. Bud Zumwalt was their hero and probably Nixon's most hated man in the military. I don't sneer at the memories of people with those credentials.

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RUSSIA’S NEWEST NUCLEAR SUBMARINE ARRIVES IN PACIFIC OCEAN [View all] Madam45for2923 Oct 2016 OP

I wonder if the timing is a coincidence DFW Oct 2016 #1

Coincidence, the Vladimir Monomakh is a Borei class ballistic missile submarine Lurks Often Oct 2016 #2

I didn't mean as a counter-measure, but just the timing from a P-R point of view DFW Oct 2016 #3

Still probably a coincidence Lurks Often Oct 2016 #4

No idea about the Russian submarine, but I'll bet the Zumwalt will be a big deal DFW Oct 2016 #5

They launched it upside down! longship Oct 2016 #6

It's like no other ship I've ever seen before, that's for sure DFW Oct 2016 #7

Well, at least it has a keel... ON THE TOP! longship Oct 2016 #8

It looks like a submarine. Thor_MN Oct 2016 #9

How about this? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2016 #11

Believe it or not DFW Oct 2016 #13

It's a concept similar to the F-117. The angles deflect radar and make for a small signature. NutmegYankee Oct 2016 #28

Reminds me of the new USS Independence yuiyoshida Oct 2016 #14

There does seem to be an evolution in the designing of these things. DFW Oct 2016 #17

That ship looks like science fiction! Odin2005 Oct 2016 #24

The much-hyped Littoral Navy vessels . . FairWinds Oct 2016 #10

We all saw that article when it came out a year ago DFW Oct 2016 #12

Well, at least . . FairWinds Oct 2016 #15

Vietnam haunted Bud Zumwalt until the end of his life DFW Oct 2016 #16

Agent Orange, from which I was poisoned too, is . . FairWinds Oct 2016 #19

Elmo, Jr. was the Nam Vet. Bud was a WWII vet, and Secretary of the Navy. DFW Oct 2016 #20

Thank you for your service . . FairWinds Oct 2016 #22

Thanks DFW (& FairWinds) for your insight(s) appal_jack Oct 2016 #25

Hey Mr. Appal FairWinds Oct 2016 #32

Yemeni freedom fighters jamzrockz Oct 2016 #18

Yemeni Freedom fighters? lol...good one! EX500rider Oct 2016 #21

You mention Iranian backed jamzrockz Oct 2016 #23

Arms blockade, not "siege" EX500rider Oct 2016 #26

Isn't stuff like that usually a matter of perspective? PersonNumber503602 Oct 2016 #27

By elected jamzrockz Oct 2016 #29

lol.....Iranian supplied Shia fighting Gulf State supplied Sunni's, no good guys. EX500rider Oct 2016 #30

"a president who allows the US military to freely drone the citizens celebrating their wedding.." EX500rider Oct 2016 #31