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calimary

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119. Agreed.

Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:29 PM

Jul 2012

Glad the penalties are this severe. I would have gone harder. Guess I'm just in a serious hard-ass mood today (just ask the gun people).

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NCAA hands out severe punishment for Penn State [View all] MADem Jul 2012 OP

Appropriate punishment alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #1

Bobby Bowden becomes the Division 1 leader. bluedigger Jul 2012 #6

Dammit! That's what I meant alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #8

direct punishment for Paterno - losing all those wins DrDan Jul 2012 #10

And the most appropriate, I think. bluedigger Jul 2012 #33

I put more blame on those adminstrators DrDan Jul 2012 #41

They were definitely enablers. bluedigger Jul 2012 #49

Blaming the wrong man for the wrong reasons. Eddie Haskell Jul 2012 #54

who is the "wrong man"? DrDan Jul 2012 #58

Well, nice knowing you (not really--never saw you before today). No "wrong man" was blamed. MADem Jul 2012 #62

"I've had it with the DU"... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #108

One of my favorite movies of all time. FarPoint Jul 2012 #151

The greatness of Val Kilmer... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #166

Val Kilmer should of gotten an Oscar. FarPoint Jul 2012 #167

So long. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #135

GOOD. To hell with them. Zero accountability means severe punishment. Amerigo Vespucci Jul 2012 #2

Isn't it named after Sue Paterno? E-Z-B Jul 2012 #5

No. It's the Paterno Library alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #9

I think it is named after both of them. They gave four million to have it built. nt MADem Jul 2012 #13

There are 100,000 volumes of children's literature in the Paterno Library Beowulf Jul 2012 #70

That's called "irony" ... not "mitigation." TahitiNut Jul 2012 #145

I'd monitor the reactions AND the attitudes at PSU over the next 4 years ... TahitiNut Jul 2012 #146

The people paying the price are innocent.(Current and future students, players, and fans.) CANDO Jul 2012 #150

We are not a lynch mob. FarPoint Jul 2012 #153

Apparently CANDO Jul 2012 #156

How teh heck are PSU boosters being "punished" and "lynched"? obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #159

Are degrees still being given out? Are classes still ongoing? obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #158

"Price"?? What abject, utter nonsense. TahitiNut Jul 2012 #161

The Family Paterno Will Come Unglued over This. CBGLuthier Jul 2012 #3

I think Paterno deserves whatever they punish him with, but he is dead. There is too much morningglory Jul 2012 #22

As a married man... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #110

Wow -- good for the NCAA obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #4

How convenient for the NCAA AngryAmish Jul 2012 #7

There are options. Turn off the TV, go watch a high school game. MADem Jul 2012 #14

I think the vacating of wins is the worst penalty, especially for a school like Penn St. AngryOldDem Jul 2012 #25

I agree--they have a bunch of wealthy Rah-Rah football alumni; and the win-grab was like peeing in MADem Jul 2012 #56

Upset much? Oh, and the 60 million is the revenue that the were earning from 1 year of football- snooper2 Jul 2012 #23

What should the fine have been? joeglow3 Jul 2012 #48

I'm not sure a self serving fine would be appropriate AngryAmish Jul 2012 #50

I tend to Agree Iggy Jul 2012 #52

The taking away of wins suggests they were improperly earned. leveymg Jul 2012 #11

Of course they were improperly earned--those two clowns should have been in jail, not coaching. MADem Jul 2012 #64

No argument from me about that. None. Zip. Nyet. leveymg Jul 2012 #69

Probably ignorance, rather than stepping lightly! The JoPa crowd did a good coverup..! nt MADem Jul 2012 #72

Did they really? I read that the abuse was widely rumoured for years. leveymg Jul 2012 #76

I will be the first to admit I didn't follow this story until it broke, but I never heard about MADem Jul 2012 #93

"Jerry Sandusky rumors started long before grand jury report" leveymg Jul 2012 #114

I don't doubt your word in the slightest--even without the amplifying (and interesting) link, MADem Jul 2012 #116

Professional Due Dilligence pre-hire done by UVA or MD would have revealed these problems. leveymg Jul 2012 #118

Uva and Maryland wouldn't have touched him obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #124

True. But the fact that PennState continued to grant him access made PSU and its coaches vulnerable leveymg Jul 2012 #133

I already know that obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #134

Well, then, we agree about possible motive. Knowledge of Sandusky's crimes presented opportunity. leveymg Jul 2012 #139

Is this the death knell? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #12

As a national program, Penn State is about to enter a ten-year sleep.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #15

Again, it's a shame Joe Paterno wasn't around to see it. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #16

Agreed. calimary Jul 2012 #119

Transfer is allowed without penalty. The Link Jul 2012 #18

They can transfer with no penalty/being redshirted obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #29

That's good....Punish the guilty, not the innocent Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #35

The Penn program was scum even without this scandal. That even A Simple Game Jul 2012 #43

Joe campaigned for Republican candidates. HERVEPA Jul 2012 #46

Find the pictures of the creep with the GOP bozos and spread 'em around. MADem Jul 2012 #66

retroactive dterrell Jul 2012 #17

How many coaches are the most powerfull men on campus? CANDO Jul 2012 #19

If they really wanted to punish the football program ThoughtCriminal Jul 2012 #20

or that one in Detroit AngryAmish Jul 2012 #21

Now you're just being cruel...(nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #37

LOL It's funny 'cause it's true. VWolf Jul 2012 #117

SMU still got hit worse than this derby378 Jul 2012 #24

If I recall correctly... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #40

Unfortunetly... rexcat Jul 2012 #53

But here's the thing... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #55

No one is telling them they can't play football, for the love of the game. MADem Jul 2012 #77

No... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #123

Not if that Shakespeare Festival was a competitive thing and brought big money to the school. MADem Jul 2012 #138

As an average citizen I don't feel that it is enough Panasonic Jul 2012 #26

No it would decimiate an economy well beyond the campus. themaguffin Jul 2012 #30

Tough shit gopiscrap Jul 2012 #42

You don't seem to grasp what I'm saying and are too irrational to discuss with themaguffin Jul 2012 #45

That cat is already out of the bag... Evasporque Jul 2012 #34

Wow! I didn't expect anything like this lunatica Jul 2012 #27

the record books will still say victory, but it's done to punish paterno for his cover-up Suji to Seoul Jul 2012 #32

What about the football players? lunatica Jul 2012 #36

unfortunately, what can the ncaa do when they come down on a program? the players always suffer Suji to Seoul Jul 2012 #39

That's why I'm struggling with this. AngryOldDem Jul 2012 #47

That's life. Springslips Jul 2012 #113

The players can study and get roody Jul 2012 #165

Student athletes being students first and athletes second? Nah. . .throwing a football is more Suji to Seoul Jul 2012 #168

Players don't have "wins." Teams do. Players score touchdowns and accumulate yards, and sack QBs MADem Jul 2012 #74

I don't think they will. I think record books from this day forward will give the wins to others.NT MADem Jul 2012 #59

yup obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #68

Those wins were not legitimate, though--a guy who should have been in jail and an accessory after MADem Jul 2012 #57

The USA Today article contradicts itself regarding taking away wins from Paterno's record. bulloney Jul 2012 #28

The wins are vacated. The Link Jul 2012 #31

It's bad writing/editing. bluedigger Jul 2012 #38

Some of the story was probably written before the ruling... SidDithers Jul 2012 #51

So this is what happens when we actually punish wrongdoing by large groups AllyCat Jul 2012 #44

Good job NCAA...hell, maybe we should put the NCAA in charge of Wall Street... Sancho Jul 2012 #60

The program should have been shut down entirely. closeupready Jul 2012 #61

First, I'm not a football fan and originally I thought the death penalty was appropriate. But... Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #63

I think you threaded the needle very nicely, there. It is, indeed, a tailored rebuke! MADem Jul 2012 #67

Hopefully even more justice will prevail BrendaBrick Jul 2012 #65

Big Ten has yet to weigh in, as well. SomeGuyInEagan Jul 2012 #162

I may get pummelled for this Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #71

The players are not being punished. You need to read the ruling. The players are being protected. MADem Jul 2012 #73

Having to vacate wins punishes past players Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #81

No it doesn;t obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #84

Well it would piss me off Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #89

They should be enraged at Penn and Paterno and The Program obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #127

No it doesn't. It doesn't change the yards they ran, the touchdowns they scored, the interceptions MADem Jul 2012 #90

Protecting a pedophile for the sake of a football team=winning illegitimately. Gormy Cuss Jul 2012 #106

The terms of the penalty went quite out of their way to protect present and future players. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #78

I won't pummel you but I think you are wrong... rexcat Jul 2012 #79

I understand the sentiment behind the ruling Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #86

My perspective comes from working in pediatrics... rexcat Jul 2012 #92

I guess I am looking at this too much from the standpoint of a player Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #94

From the reports... rexcat Jul 2012 #140

I suppose for some people it's never a big deal until their child is raped. Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #87

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #91

Apparently it is needed, if you're still defending the institution. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #95

I'm not defending the institution use your gray matter and read my posts. I have never Historyprof77132 Jul 2012 #98

And yet you're talking like only two people were involved with this and not an entire culture. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #99

The "entire culture" exists today at dozens of universities across the land. CANDO Jul 2012 #155

Editied my previous post. My point was how can you complain about the ruling given the... Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #97

The whole barrel was rotten. IggleDoer Jul 2012 #121

Oh, just wait obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #129

Paterno wasn't thrown under the bus..his hubris kept him from seeing he was in the crosswalk. nt msanthrope Jul 2012 #144

Yup. obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #128

Should have closed their football program for a little while at least. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #75

Given the campus' attitude... Posteritatis Jul 2012 #80

+1 nt MADem Jul 2012 #88

Nicely said. rexcat Jul 2012 #82

They'll have far less reverence when all their good players run like hell to other schools. MADem Jul 2012 #85

I had wanted suspension Locrian Jul 2012 #101

We'll see how hard they cheer when Klutz McShoelacetrip and Pudge O'Waddler take the field MADem Jul 2012 #112

Exactly! Or some of the club sports obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #130

I would imagine Penn State games will be monetary losses....home and away... Evasporque Jul 2012 #111

So much for Happy Valley liberal N proud Jul 2012 #83

It'll be Crappy Valley for the next five to ten years..! nt MADem Jul 2012 #96

Excellent ESPN clip with Desmond Howard, BrendaBrick Jul 2012 #100

Tell it like it is! nt MADem Jul 2012 #115

Desmond Howard knows better than most people what "it" is. amandabeech Jul 2012 #125

I enjoyed his comments. nt MADem Jul 2012 #137

Yes, so did I. I think that ESPN made a wise move by hiring him. amandabeech Jul 2012 #141

All great academic schools, too! obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #147

Well, you'll get no flack from me on your post. amandabeech Jul 2012 #149

The scholarship reductions will have the worst impact to the team taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #102

Who would want to play there for the next seven to ten years? MADem Jul 2012 #103

I am sick of the cult-like worship of football dballance Jul 2012 #104

Apparently the "GLEE" culture is giving the football fanatics a run for their money. MADem Jul 2012 #107

what does "vacating all wins" mean, exactly. anything beyond altering the record books? unblock Jul 2012 #105

They aren't the "winningest" team, and Paterno et.al. not the "winningest" coaches. MADem Jul 2012 #109

Players keep their stats obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #131

Too bad we can't put the NCAA in charge of the Catholic Church nichomachus Jul 2012 #120

Not severe enough. Alduin Jul 2012 #122

Death was the only acceptable outcome- NCAA should disband as an organization (NM) Rambis Jul 2012 #126

I have decided this is better than the death penalty obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #132

Penn State's football program shouldn't be punished Zyzafyx Jul 2012 #136

Given attitudes on campus I'm not sure they'll survive probation. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #142

I agree obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #148

What the hell would that accomplish? SpartanDem Jul 2012 #143

I disagree... sort of Scootaloo Jul 2012 #152

Not enough jmowreader Jul 2012 #154

Students DonCoquixote Jul 2012 #157

This obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #160

Wonderful post. SomeGuyInEagan Jul 2012 #163

NCAA sanctions did absolutely nothing to punish the people responsible. gauguin57 Jul 2012 #164