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gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
52. federal law trumps state law
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 10:15 PM
Aug 2012

My guess is the AUSA in Arizona, one of the ones Bush put in to help suppress votes, was either lazy or on the take, because the ATF agents had money and guns changing hand on video. For example Vermont says it is OK for a 16 year old to buy a gun. Federal law, which trumps state law, says "18 for long guns and 21 for handguns". If I'm working at a gun store, with federal license and ATF inspectors over seeing my operation, I'm going to follow the stricter federal law. It is wise for a private seller to as well, but that is a more complex issue that it seems because of privacy laws, commerce clause etc.
Meanwhile, Vermont figures why have a redundant law? If the feds updated the rules for them, why bother? So while they didn't violate AZ law, the ATF is there to enforce federal law.

And that sound is the tears of thousands of Tea Baggers crying. sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #1
And there will be no apology issued, from any of those dissing Holder, either. freshwest Jul 2012 #3
And how about those Dem asses who voted that he was in contempt? SaveAmerica Jul 2012 #27
Have you got more of a problem with the Democratic or Republican Party? freshwest Jul 2012 #37
In this case they are the same SaveAmerica Aug 2012 #49
My Democratic congressman sure didn't. I hope you get rid of yours, so I'm happy with mine. freshwest Aug 2012 #50
There will be no such sound. Thav Jul 2012 #17
Sadly, you are correct caraher Aug 2012 #42
Lol! Champion Jack Aug 2012 #51
It must be the UN! tk2kewl Jul 2012 #2
Doesn't matter. The lie is out there for gun nuts to spew. nt onehandle Jul 2012 #4
Ditto SoapBox Jul 2012 #5
Which was most likely their intention from the beginning. n/t mlevans Jul 2012 #6
Exactly... Javaman Jul 2012 #18
From what I've read, there was no "gunwalking". louis-t Jul 2012 #7
That is what I have been hearing, too. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #11
I've read the article. And it was the US attorney that refused louis-t Jul 2012 #13
not exactly gejohnston Jul 2012 #34
So gun laws in AZ are in conflict with federal law? louis-t Aug 2012 #45
No, they aren't. This had nothing to do with Arizona laws. PavePusher Aug 2012 #46
OK, duh, US attorney=Federal laws. louis-t Aug 2012 #48
federal law trumps state law gejohnston Aug 2012 #52
The US attorney refused to issue an arrest order cheapdate Jul 2012 #33
that's how I understand it, too. AZ gun laws are so weak that with all the evidence, it was still wordpix Jul 2012 #38
Wrong. See #46. n/t PavePusher Aug 2012 #47
What will the Democrats do? Will they be cowards and refuse to demand an apology for how Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2012 #8
You won't see this on Fox. Mz Pip Jul 2012 #9
And we had a couple DUers from the gungeon raving Kingofalldems Jul 2012 #10
It must have been so frustrating for them azurnoir Jul 2012 #12
They'll just keep investigating until they FIND (or fabricate) a connection....... kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #14
maybe they'll find the blue dress if they look hard enough wordpix Jul 2012 #39
So will Issa stop chasing after Holder for contempt? Panasonic Jul 2012 #15
Issa, that fucking teenage car theif, is my congressman. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #21
He has the courage of his prior covictions. Qutzupalotl Jul 2012 #35
don't forget the arson suspect, and lots more wordpix Jul 2012 #40
he was on greta's show tonight.... la la Aug 2012 #43
you'd think they would've made one up..... lastlib Jul 2012 #16
f & f mamayo Jul 2012 #19
The RW conspiracy theory about the WH RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #20
Astute you are. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #22
Like they give a shit about it. sakabatou Jul 2012 #23
Read some comments on The Hill link... Yeah Its Spin Jul 2012 #24
I thought this one went away after the Forbes article ThoughtCriminal Jul 2012 #25
Those in RKBA Group here won't apologize either. They've been after Holder, and presumably Obama, Hoyt Jul 2012 #26
Fast and Furious billky Jul 2012 #28
The vast majority of Americans have no idea about Fast and Furious proud2BlibKansan Jul 2012 #36
I would like to hear an apology rks306 Jul 2012 #29
Good news! Purge the BATFE of the handful of bad apples and be done with it. slackmaster Jul 2012 #30
Can I see a show of hands of DUers here who are SHOCKED to find this out LynneSin Jul 2012 #31
Plenty of connection to the bush/chainey WH, so those gops had to shush up. Dont call me Shirley Jul 2012 #32
i think you're right wordpix Jul 2012 #41
Reublicans love to tell lies and squander taxpayer money Berlum Aug 2012 #44
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