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154. The sheer hypocrisy shown here is incredible.

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:34 PM

Nov 2017

I guess sexual harassment is okay if the perpetrator is someone that you like. This is after everybody was jumping on Roy Moore (and rightfully so).

What Franken did is not funny. It’s wrong. Women want to be taken seriously - especially in professions like journalism. This wasn’t “playful” or “funny” - it was sexual harassment, plain and simple.

I find the allegations of Franken’s forced kiss even more troubling. If this were a Republican accused of these actions, DU would be collectively demanding their resignation. If you do not demand action against Franken for his actions, you have absolutely no right to criticize Roy Moore. Your ethics are based on party allegiance more than doing what is right.

You either take sexual harassment seriously, or you don’t. You can’t have different standards for different people. This isn’t a Democrat vs. Republican issue.

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Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And Theres Nothing Funny About It [View all] oberliner Nov 2017 OP

Oh CRAP! PearliePoo2 Nov 2017 #1

See... FarPoint Nov 2017 #89

Sen. Franken Boilingpots Nov 2017 #92

The problem being, a lot of these incidents occurred a long time ago GatoGordo Nov 2017 #110

Accuser is lying, this much we now know. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #113

no no no no no no no no no! samnsara Nov 2017 #2

Accuser is lying, this much we now know. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #114

If we believe the women who have accused Trump and Moore we also have to believe this woman. nycbos Nov 2017 #3

Accuser is lying, this much we now know. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #115

Why the spamming? GatoGordo Nov 2017 #125

He's replying to the spamming. moda253 Nov 2017 #134

Did you say the same about Moores accusers? Oneironaut Nov 2017 #142

Should we believe Tara Reade? Dorn Mar 2020 #188

As I said on another of these threads get the red out Nov 2017 #4

Consider the source, Leeann Tweeden Botany Nov 2017 #5

There's a picture. NT enough Nov 2017 #7

So whoever took it can conform whether it was real or part of a skit. n/t pnwmom Nov 2017 #30

Edit: Franken has acknowledged the photograph and apologized immediately. George II Nov 2017 #56

Franken already acknowledged the picture is real. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #146

So the picture of him doing it doesn't matter? 7962 Nov 2017 #8

The picture looked pretty much staged to me. Al was a comedian and an actor. Botany Nov 2017 #12

So women should only be believed if they accuse right-wingers. Pale Blue Dot Nov 2017 #13

No! If Al did something(s) wrong then he deserves what he gets but .... Botany Nov 2017 #16

The pic DOES look staged. Let's wait for his response. DetlefK Nov 2017 #19

It looks like a staged joke to me Jarqui Nov 2017 #38

Is that the pic? Control-Z Nov 2017 #84

This picture was taken on an aircraft of some type. mn9driver Nov 2017 #127

She looks asleep to me and the guys thought it would be funny. SandyZ Nov 2017 #156

Whoever took it can clear up whether it was real or part of a skit. nt pnwmom Nov 2017 #31

Yeah there's something about this that stinks. Initech Nov 2017 #22

I would be looking at Creative Response Concepts ... think Swift Boats for Truth .... right now Botany Nov 2017 #41

It doesn't pass my smell test either. Initech Nov 2017 #46

What in that picture tell you that it is a photoshop? Botany Nov 2017 #57

There is a ton wrong with this picture. Initech Nov 2017 #65

Agree canetoad Nov 2017 #95

Why mention having it open in Photoshop? greyl Nov 2017 #185

Did I say Photoshop? canetoad Nov 2017 #186

Oh brother, that's funny. Adios. nt greyl Nov 2017 #187

Edit: Franken has acknowledged the photograph and apologized immediately. George II Nov 2017 #69

Franken's not denying the photo's real. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #72

You can also see someone behind Al. Initech Nov 2017 #73

Franken apologized for the photo oberliner Nov 2017 #102

Whew. Thanks. I hope someone informs Al of this. ancianita Nov 2017 #77

No, you can't. nt greyl Nov 2017 #184

She worked for Fox News? rockfordfile Nov 2017 #129

How do you know Boilingpots Nov 2017 #100

Oops: Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #103

I was hoping Franken would run for President. I am not going to hope anymore. Le Gaucher Nov 2017 #62

Overraction. awesomerwb1 Nov 2017 #120

You are ashamed of being a male? A bit melodramatic don't ya think? moda253 Nov 2017 #135

Drama much? Botany Nov 2017 #152

You seem absolutely crushed Le Gaucher Dream Girl Nov 2017 #183

Accuser is lying, this much we now know. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #116

Hold trump to the same standard ... UpInArms Nov 2017 #6

No The Genealogist Nov 2017 #9

Actually Trumpf really did do something rockfordfile Nov 2017 #130

YES! Chasstev365 Nov 2017 #29

Ready for another round of Whataboutism n2doc Nov 2017 #10

there's a history of male comedians pulling this shit knightmaar Nov 2017 #11

There's a weird SNL-skit with Vanessa Bayer and Russel Brand. DetlefK Nov 2017 #42

Brand likely wrote that skit, because he IS creepy & a scumbag. 7962 Nov 2017 #173

Not good, but it should not be used to rationalize Roy Moore's assault of women, including grabbing Hoyt Nov 2017 #14

Since he's playing to the camera, Mr.Bill Nov 2017 #15

Yeah, but read the article. It's more than just that photo. Hoyt Nov 2017 #18

I read the article. Mr.Bill Nov 2017 #33

The question is -- what is appropriate behavior. I don't think joking about molesting women sends Hoyt Nov 2017 #43

There's a WITNESS -- the photographer. We need that person to tell us what happened. pnwmom Nov 2017 #36

According to the woman. But there's a witness in this case -- the photographer. pnwmom Nov 2017 #49

Would Franken do (my bold)? Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #58

So he said it was part of a skit. And the shadows makes it appear he wasn't really touching her. pnwmom Nov 2017 #96

Oh, for heaven's sake. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #133

He said he didn't remember. And it's unclear from the photo whether he was touching her or hovering pnwmom Nov 2017 #140

What a contradictory response. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #149

No, it's not contradictory. His apology says he doesn't remember pnwmom Nov 2017 #162

My reading is that he doesn't remember the "rehearsal" Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #163

I'm not making excuses. As I noted, the idea of groping a woman isn't a laughing matter, pnwmom Nov 2017 #164

"As to the photo, it was clearly intended to be funny but wasnt. I shouldnt have done it. lunamagica Nov 2017 #165

Perhaps. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #181

Accuser is lying, this much we now know. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #119

quick question UT_democrat Nov 2017 #126

Franken's response does not indicate she is lying. Franken's actions are not like Moore's or Trump's Hoyt Nov 2017 #136

What most here are not understanding is the story she is telling about him forcing himself on her Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #137

I think you are missing the point. Hoyt Nov 2017 #138

This will be an unpopular comment hueymahl Nov 2017 #17

I just posted the same thing below! Freethinker65 Nov 2017 #23

So if someone grabs my crotch while I'm sleeping, Pale Blue Dot Nov 2017 #24

You sleep in Kevlar and steel jammies? n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #112

If you're wearing a cup, apparently its just fine 7962 Nov 2017 #172

I would add, re comaring this to Roy Moore, Mr.Bill Nov 2017 #35

Yeah, Spacey, Weinstein, Piven, Louis CK, and Moore are all serial predators. Initech Nov 2017 #53

This is in response to Al Frankin going after Sessions at the hearings katmondoo Nov 2017 #64

My thought exactly. orangecrush Nov 2017 #167

There certainly is a rat. Dawson Leery Nov 2017 #78

Agreed. And calling this "groping" tells me this woman is full of shit. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #93

This would be the same people that would fall for the Russian crap. rockfordfile Nov 2017 #131

Honestly the picture is not all that upsetting to me Freethinker65 Nov 2017 #20

+1 n/t John1956PA Nov 2017 #34

Ridiculous. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #21

Who would do something like that and look RIGHT into a camera? Bengus81 Nov 2017 #25

An entitled man, that's who Lazy Daisy Nov 2017 #67

I, on the other hand, doubt anything said by anyone who ever was on Faux. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #118

Anyone? EX500rider Nov 2017 #169

Good one. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #170

How you look at someone constitutes assault? moda253 Nov 2017 #147

That's fine Lazy Daisy Nov 2017 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author scarletwoman Nov 2017 #26

Although this is really bad behavior...... Little Star Nov 2017 #27

Its a posed picture mountain grammy Nov 2017 #28

She's asleep MosheFeingold Nov 2017 #59

You sure she's asleep? Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #121

Rush to judge much? moda253 Nov 2017 #148

Franken has apologized for his behavior in the photo oberliner Nov 2017 #104

But that doesn't mean it wasn't posed. Even if posed, it was intended to be funny, but it wasn't lunamagica Nov 2017 #166

Interesting thread. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #32

GOP is working on their backup plan in case Jones wins AL seat. underthematrix Nov 2017 #37

Hmmm....comes out the day of the Republican tax SHAM vote...who'd a thunk it? Bengus81 Nov 2017 #39

I smell a rat as well. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #40

Franken apologizes after groping allegation: 'It was clearly intended to be funny but wasnt' oberliner Nov 2017 #106

.... Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #107

Thank you uppityperson Nov 2017 #128

We had to know something along these lines was going to drop soon. Texin Nov 2017 #44

The picture doesn't appear to show contact. There are shadow marks visible under his hands, pnwmom Nov 2017 #45

Yes PatSeg Nov 2017 #51

SNL has always been full of edgy humor Mr.Bill Nov 2017 #52

In the context of a USO tour, it would be impossible to prove Al's intent beyond reasonable doubt, ancianita Nov 2017 #90

Franken needs to explain exactly what do shadows have to do with comedy! populistdriven Nov 2017 #97

Franken apologized for the photo oberliner Nov 2017 #108

The photo should be apologized for, whether or not he actually touched her. But that isn't clear. pnwmom Nov 2017 #117

In his statement, he takes responsibility for his actions oberliner Nov 2017 #141

I read it and it's a good statement. But it doesn't say he remembers exactly what transpired. pnwmom Nov 2017 #144

..... Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #123

#fakenews. stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #47

Statement from Franken: Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #48

End of story. n/t Mr.Bill Nov 2017 #54

Unfortunately, probably not. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #55

If it is in a script and both professional actors are aware of the script, that sounds like consent. Gore1FL Nov 2017 #50

People make mistakes janterry Nov 2017 #60

I'm sure Fox is going to turn this into an instant crisis to deflect from their Roy Moore problem. jalan48 Nov 2017 #61

..and played (out) all day long..... Chakaconcarne Nov 2017 #76

And on and on, interspersed with videos of Bill Clinton hugging Monica Lewinsky. jalan48 Nov 2017 #82

I was hoping Franken would run for President. I am not going to hope anymore. Le Gaucher Nov 2017 #63

Speak for yourself. Mr.Bill Nov 2017 #66

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #71

What I'm not ashamed of Mr.Bill Nov 2017 #74

Why are you taking this personally? Le Gaucher Nov 2017 #75

"Why are you taking this personally? This ain't about you." mac56 Nov 2017 #79

Exactly. n/t Mr.Bill Nov 2017 #80

that was a reaction to your post. Le Gaucher Nov 2017 #83

A faulty reaction, when you contradict your own statement. mac56 Nov 2017 #87

ok you win. Le Gaucher Nov 2017 #88

Yes he did. emulatorloo Nov 2017 #101

+++++++++++++ Everything moda253 Nov 2017 #150

Because you made it personal. n/t Mr.Bill Nov 2017 #81

OMG, men who aren't ashamed are part of the problem???? LakeArenal Nov 2017 #91

Because of all men she can no longer go outside except at high noon? populistdriven Nov 2017 #94

Dammit, Franken Saviolo Nov 2017 #68

Just now hit CNN news alert..... Chakaconcarne Nov 2017 #70

Come on people... LakeArenal Nov 2017 #85

It's not a fake oberliner Nov 2017 #145

I said he made a statement... LakeArenal Nov 2017 #182

And Roy Molester Moore is starting his election victory party! 4139 Nov 2017 #86

"She said" bleedinglib Nov 2017 #98

It's a C-17 DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2017 #105

Franken's statement: emulatorloo Nov 2017 #99

People who are claiming the photo was fake or staged will hopefully read that statement oberliner Nov 2017 #111

What about the photographer who says it was staged? pnwmom Nov 2017 #122

Yeah I saw that tweet as well emulatorloo Nov 2017 #124

What photographer? Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #157

So that might be fake. But there is a real photographer out there somewhere pnwmom Nov 2017 #158

I reckon we'd all do well to trust Franken and let him handle this in his own way. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #159

He's asked for an investigation, so that should uncover the photographer. n/t pnwmom Nov 2017 #160

I think he's handling this as well as he could. n/t Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #161

That message was deleted oberliner Nov 2017 #179

She is a trump supporting liar, photos and those who were there prove that already. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #109

Al Franken has apologized oberliner Nov 2017 #139

What is she lying about, and what is your proof? Marengo Nov 2017 #153

Wow, replace "Franken" with "Moore" and you sound just like HIS supporters 7962 Nov 2017 #171

Clearly a joke, but horrible timing residentcynic Nov 2017 #132

Clearly it was sexual harrassment, and that is no joke. It wasn't/isn't funny. GatoGordo Nov 2017 #177

Here is Al Franken's full statement in response to this oberliner Nov 2017 #143

That's the Franken I assumed I knew and respected. n/t Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #151

The sheer hypocrisy shown here is incredible. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #154

Well said n/t MosheFeingold Nov 2017 #174

I recall the Gloria Steinem op-ed in the NYT GatoGordo Nov 2017 #176

two differences tho bluestarone Nov 2017 #168

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #175

Nice try from a known Hannity suck up Trump supporter... Kimchijeon Nov 2017 #178

Franken apologized for the photo oberliner Nov 2017 #180