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20. Different surveys
Sat Dec 9, 2017, 03:41 AM
Dec 2017

The 228k jobs is from the Establishment Survey.

The unemployment rate, the number of employed and unemployed, labor participation rate and civilian labor force and civilian non-institutional population and more is from the Household Survey.

The number of employed (Household Survey) went up by only 57,000 -- yes, way different than the 228,000 in the Establishment Survey. Monthly changes in the Household Survey are extremely volatile. It is common for the two surveys to be radically different in month-to-month changes, although over time they average out to be about the same (well, currently the Employed is 153,918,000 which is 4.5% higher than the 147,241,000 establishment survey number of employees)

The number of unemployed went up by 90,000.

The civilian labor force = employed + unemployed. It went up by 57,000 + 90,000 = 147,000. Well, they say the civilian labor force went up by 148,000 -- figures don't add up exactly due to rounding.

The unemployment rate = unemployed / civilian labor force.

Table A has some of the key numbers in the Household Survey. Table B has some of the key numbers in the Establishment Survey.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

Wonderful news! Kilgore Dec 2017 #1
That is correct, regardless of administration. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #2
Yes, thanks Obama! Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #13
Repugs will take credit highmindedhavi Dec 2017 #19
As always thanks for the monthly posting! BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #3
Thanks for the thanks. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #15
Ha! BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #16
It was on the TV news, too. It looked pretty impressive for San Antonio. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #17
But! But! The Labor participation rate... Norbert Dec 2017 #4
Trump always said to ADD 6% to those unemployment numbers--when OBAMA was Pres. Bengus81 Dec 2017 #5
Yes, Obama halved the unemployment rate so Shitler lied. Now he is OK with the number. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #12
trump will make sure to reverse those numbers Marthe48 Dec 2017 #6
How can we know that these numbers are legit? Glimmer of Hope Dec 2017 #7
If you feel the Bureau of Labor Statistics is handing out bunk, start here: mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #11
Links to earlier reports mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #8
Huh? ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #9
Different surveys progree Dec 2017 #20
Those Are All Statistically Significant ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #21
90% chance that the unemployment change is within +/- 300,000 of the stated value progree Dec 2017 #22
As One With An MS... ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #23
The mind-numbing rant, based on a version posted on the first Friday in September 2016: mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #10
I believe the numbers Steerpike Dec 2017 #14
word. i think a lot of people are in denial about the true state of our economy. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2017 #34
From the socialist sounding Bureau of Labor Statistics IronLionZion Dec 2017 #18
Honestly BFD,it was what 4.6--4.7 nearly a YEAR ago when Obama left office?? Bengus81 Dec 2017 #24
Trump sometimes talked about 94 million jobless Americans progree Dec 2017 #25
Problem is ... LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #26
Inflation adjusted weekly earnings has been increasing since 1993, but still well below 1970's level progree Dec 2017 #27
"average" wages don't tell you a lot. a few good jobs and a lot of crappy ones average out to TheFrenchRazor Dec 2017 #33
Its the average for production and non-supervisory workers, which is why I use it progree Dec 2017 #35
The numbers, from the report: mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #30
Other useful links: mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #28
Additional tweets, articles, and comments mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #29
I would like to give thanks mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2017 #31
great; too bad most of them don't pay a living wage. the "average" wage doesn't tell anything. TheFrenchRazor Dec 2017 #32
When has there ever been? progree Dec 2017 #36
Thanks Obama treestar Dec 2017 #37
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