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In reply to the discussion: Tillerson says Venezuelan military may turn on Maduro [View all]GatoGordo
(2,412 posts)59. Your analysis is waaaay off... but lets examine it.
Thank goodness the dRump admin is attempting to ramrod a coup through, just what was needed.
There will be no military coup, as I mentioned, because replacing Maduro with Vlad Padrino is replacing one Chavista with another. Tillerson (and Trump) are morons who know NOTHING about what is going on in Venezuela. But, it appears these uninformed morons are in good company... let us continue with your next point!
If we can destabilize that oil producing nation, whose production only kicks into viability when Standard Oil OPEC prices get high, Rex's buddies can really rape us at the pumps.
It is already destabilized, and it didn't need a bit of help from the United States. The shitstorm in VZ started years ago, long before oil prices dumped and any sanctions on Chavistas were imposed. The sanctions on Venezuela are against 40 Chavistas, and the only other sanction is the prohibition of US citizens to refinance PdVSA debt. PdVSA sells to its affiliate Citgo in Houston, which is unaffected currently. Your analysis is wrong again. But even if it were partially correct, the US is already flush with more heavy oil than it needs. We don't need to import Maduro's sludge.
Price of gas just took a big jump, already, before this coup thing appeared.
The price of gas? Funny you should mention that! Seems Venezuela, despite sitting on the worlds largest reserves of oil, cannot lift its own shitty oil (heavy sour) and cannot refine it if it could. Lift costs of light sweet run about $37 per barrel. It costs about $60 per barrel to lift heavy sour, and it STILL can't be pumped without diluants that it has to import. Venezuela essentially imports in own gas, which it sells at a loss. It essentially loses money on every barrel it lifts and refines.
Where are you getting your information on Venezuela? it certainly isn't grounded in fact, and it appears to be based in hyperbole.
There will be no military coup, as I mentioned, because replacing Maduro with Vlad Padrino is replacing one Chavista with another. Tillerson (and Trump) are morons who know NOTHING about what is going on in Venezuela. But, it appears these uninformed morons are in good company... let us continue with your next point!
If we can destabilize that oil producing nation, whose production only kicks into viability when Standard Oil OPEC prices get high, Rex's buddies can really rape us at the pumps.
It is already destabilized, and it didn't need a bit of help from the United States. The shitstorm in VZ started years ago, long before oil prices dumped and any sanctions on Chavistas were imposed. The sanctions on Venezuela are against 40 Chavistas, and the only other sanction is the prohibition of US citizens to refinance PdVSA debt. PdVSA sells to its affiliate Citgo in Houston, which is unaffected currently. Your analysis is wrong again. But even if it were partially correct, the US is already flush with more heavy oil than it needs. We don't need to import Maduro's sludge.
Price of gas just took a big jump, already, before this coup thing appeared.
The price of gas? Funny you should mention that! Seems Venezuela, despite sitting on the worlds largest reserves of oil, cannot lift its own shitty oil (heavy sour) and cannot refine it if it could. Lift costs of light sweet run about $37 per barrel. It costs about $60 per barrel to lift heavy sour, and it STILL can't be pumped without diluants that it has to import. Venezuela essentially imports in own gas, which it sells at a loss. It essentially loses money on every barrel it lifts and refines.
Where are you getting your information on Venezuela? it certainly isn't grounded in fact, and it appears to be based in hyperbole.
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Tell me again how Shitler and his henchman are not covertly underming yet another too far
Fred Sanders
Feb 2018
#1
Intelligent comments like mine that insult no one but Shitler recognize history. Sad others
Fred Sanders
Feb 2018
#12
The situation in the United States is nowhere near the situation in Venezuela
GatoGordo
Feb 2018
#17
The VZ military is likely the last hope of the country. Otherwise the pop will continue to flee.
7962
Feb 2018
#8
I was just thinking how quiet it seemed to be, in the media, about Latin America.
Mc Mike
Feb 2018
#9
No one needs to destabilize Venz., they have done that just fine on their own.
EX500rider
Feb 2018
#54
we already tried this trick on Chavez. Most of the military AND people backed Chavez
yurbud
Feb 2018
#16
because of the collapse of the price of oil. I suppose common folks wouldn't have noticed
yurbud
Feb 2018
#35
Maduro and the Chavistas are the 1%. Chavez' daughter Maria is worth over $4 billion.
GatoGordo
Feb 2018
#47
Maduro was a bus driver then a union leader oddly, I had to get through a lot of right wing sources
yurbud
Feb 2018
#70
It was well on its way before Chavez died. This would have resulted if he'd lived.
7962
Feb 2018
#44
The military is fully infiltrated over the last 18 years with Cuban advisers and sympathizers
GatoGordo
Feb 2018
#19
Because he's attempting to spin our heads, by backing the people who always back oligarchs,
Mc Mike
Feb 2018
#49
But your "assessment" is laughable. You skip over the reasons for oil being higher.
7962
Feb 2018
#50
That's often what we say when we read an editorial that validates our biases.
LanternWaste
Feb 2018
#75
Its what I say when I read FACTS. Do you dispute them? Then provide contrary evidence. You wont.
7962
Feb 2018
#77
If that is your idea of a well thought out rebuttal I would ask your schools for a refund.
EX500rider
Feb 2018
#80
The Venz. govt has ruined their economy so the people of Venz. are suffering.
EX500rider
Feb 2018
#73